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Hello, Chris. Oh, what up, big dog? Oh, that's the sound you make when it's time to podcast. Well, you know, if you had to talk to you as much as I do, you'd have the same reaction. You know, you don't have to. You love to talk to TJ, don't you? I do. I know I'm bad. I'm just sitting here, you know, my last day in Atlanta. my peaceful parents home. And my father has dropped off a stack of probably 500 pages of expenses for me to go through and highlight the ones that are business related. And man, let me tell you something, bro. This time last year, I was living the fucking dream. I was in South of France, you know, and now I'm in my parents peaceful home going through 500 pages of expenses with a highlighter. Life comes at you fast when your dad is an accountant. It's true. It's true. And he's like, I need it done today. So I'm doing it. And I'm getting through it. I'm actually making a lot of progress. I had a lot of stuff on my checklist. So I'm pretty proud of myself. What types of discoveries or realizations are you unearthing going through your year of spending? Well, it's the same thing every year, Jason. I'm an idiot. And that's it, really. And I'll never be able to create true wealth because I like to spend money on things that I shouldn't be spending money on. What are the problem areas, though? Probably footwear and juice press are two main areas that I can work on. And I mean, I guess travel. I don't need to work on because that is actually beneficial and, and most often, uh, you know, work related. Yeah. And I guess for, for this year, travel, the travel issue has been worked on for you by, uh, by a cool virus. Yes. The virus has stepped in and said, Chris, we need to curb the spending, uh, calm down. So, yeah. So I just, you know, it's been a humbling afternoon, you know, um, I had to hit the UPS store.

You know, I got a pack. I just got a lot of stuff on my list. So tomorrow you are heading west to Los Angeles. Yeah, which once again, I've picked an incredible time to move myself during this moment in American history. California seems to be on the verge of a meltdown, but maybe that's always how California is. Yeah, it is. I mean, it definitely is on the verge. The tensions are higher and the summer of fun and kind of relaxed restrictions is definitely gone by the wayside. I think the people who care and the people who are a little bit more vigilant about all of this are definitely pissed because... There's a strong chance that we could go back to parks being closed. Because that was a big thing. Everything was like, okay, it's fine. We don't need to go to Nordstrom's right now. So much of the closures were not that big of a deal. But when they were like, hey man, you guys can't even sit in this big park. You can't do that. then that's when people started being like, oh, this is serious, serious. We have nothing to do, and now on top of that, we can't even just sit in an empty grass field. So that should be interesting. Hopefully it doesn't happen. Well, you should call your cousins in Orange County and tell them to stop going to the bar for tequila shots when we're just not there yet. I want to talk about that when we have our guest a little bit more, about just reshaping the way we think and the way we desire so deeply to go to a bar. I think that's gone in a lot of people. I think we just needed to not be allowed to go to a bar for a few months for everyone, at least for people in my age range.

You know, once you're out of the partying phase of your 20s or, you know, college student age. When are you going to get there, Jason? Look, I just look young, but I'm actually not that young. But to just be like, hey, man, like, I just don't, I don't want, you know, people don't want to be around other people that much anymore. I would agree with that. I experienced it yesterday. There's a local Mexican restaurant here and we went and picked up food for dinner yesterday. They have a little outdoor patio area that people were allowed to sit and eat and also drink beers. I experienced two drunk guys harassing my girlfriend and i yesterday and i was like i have not had i haven't felt that in a long time like harassing you for what just being like tall and goofy or like your clothes or like what what was the harassment they were based on they were just kind of like two two guys that were really just kind of picking for picking a fight and hoping to just i don't know try out their their muay thai kickboxing skills they wanted smoke this wasn't like in good fun they wanted tj to have to throw hands i mean they it it did not come close to escalating to that level but they were they were definitely like egging egging my girlfriend and i on and just just like wasted kind of talking to us in a fucked up way like i don't i don't understand like talking to you fucked up way like saying saying what exactly like come over here bitch like what are they saying to you They were first trying to pick up on my girlfriend who was waiting in a car in the parking lot, and they were trying to holler at her. And then they're like, oh. So your Gumby ass gets out of the car, strolls over to pick up the food. KK's in the car, and they're trying to holler at her while you're waiting to pick up the food? Yeah, yeah. They went.

outside to like smoke a cig or something and they're like oh there's a chick here and then they started like trying to holler at her and then she was like you guys need to get the fuck out of here and then they're like oh that freaking tall guy over there is probably her boyfriend and then and then they were just they didn't they didn't really say shit to me but they were just kind of like harassing and annoying her and but you know sure and we were we were talking and thinking about it as like this is just such a I just don't want to be in this situation because there's nothing, there's not really anything that you can do about it at this point. Well, you can pull out the Draco and squeeze, in your word. But I mean, that's kind of like, I could, like I wasn't afraid of the, you know, one of the guys could probably kick my ass, but the other one not so much. But, you know, two of them together. So even, you know, but I'm saying best case scenario, even if I do say like, hey man, quit. freaking talking to my chick or i'm gonna fight you guys and then if i did fight them and win you know then then like okay then there's security camera footage of me being in a fight with people and then and then like the police get called and you know they could press charges or something or i could press it's just like it's just stupid and it's not worth it and there's just nothing you can do um when you're like an adult person nowadays if someone is doing that it's well i mean look tensions are high fam you know but i do think people are also just looking for any any interaction whether that be um you know harassing your girlfriend as she sits in the whip or trying to fight your ass just to feel something that's and that's that's exactly what was going on it's just people who are just like i don't i mean it was it was a monday at like five o'clock and they're drunk at a like a taco restaurant so like clearly tensions are high and they have nothing to do and they don't know what to do with themselves or with their time. So they just, you know, take it out on strangers. I mean, they're just harassing everybody and that, and that's, and, and these are the people who also probably have guns, you know? Um, yes, I would say that. Yes. I would say they do have guns and they, again, they don't know that TJ keeps one tucked because you, you look.

you look like a little pussy liberal, you know what I mean? But they don't know, they don't know that you keep one tucked just in case for situations just like this, where you have to defend yourself, your partner and your country all at once. You know, it's a, it's a difficult situation for you. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I do appear to be cucked, but. Cucked or tucked. Our new game show. Yeah. well i'm sorry that i'm sorry that happened to you i've only experienced pretty like regular you know um low level combos um but i do think people i think like at the grocery store and stuff i think there is a more a more at first i found it to be like more um abrasive and people being like super weird and kind of like darting their eyes around you can't tell people how people are emoting because they're the masks on but now Maybe it's also just because I'm in the South, but I feel like people are relatively friendly and kind of looking to have small talk that is meaningless but just feels good because we haven't had it in so long, which I'm down to participate in, personally. Yeah, I'm down to participate in it as well as long as they're still abiding by social distancing practices. It's also a tough situation when you're out and... You know, if you have, like, a kid or you're walking your dog and, you know, some, like, super nice old couple, like, comes up to you and, like, oh, can you know, Kuchiku, let me, you know, what's their name? And you're like, uh, like, this is fine and probably normal, but I also don't know you and I don't know, you know, if you have the fucking coronavirus and you're gonna give it to my fucking baby or... Just because I have a dog doesn't mean that you're allowed to come into my six-foot space. The problem here, Jason, is that you have a dog. And this is what happens when you have a pet.

it encourages people that wouldn't normally speak to you to approach you and speak to you. And that is something that I do not suffer from. So we have to, we have to remove all babies and dogs and anything, anything that could potentially be an icebreaker with, with well, well intentioned people who do not practice. I think, I think, I think the phrase you're looking for is drain the swamp. And I, that is what I don't. The reasons to approach people are so few and far between at this stage, but I think a dog or a baby is even more appealing because if you don't have one, you haven't seen one in forever. That's true. When people fuck up in an insensitive way or with ill intentions, then you know exactly what to do. You're like, all right, just back off, bro. I don't know you. Get out of here type of thing. And they'll be like, oh, okay, okay. But if it's just like some sweet old couple and they don't think they're doing anything wrong, it's a little harder. You kind of second guess yourself of like, am I about to like dress down, you know, a very nice... I'm going to have to let it spray for these elderly folks. Yeah, and how do you do that in a way that's like respectful? I mean, because clearly they just... They just don't understand or they don't care or like they don't believe in social distancing or whatever. TJ, TJ, TJ, respect out the window, baby. This is America. It's every man and woman for himself out there. I know. And that's the whole problem, but that's also the reality. All right. I mean, all of these conversations can pretty much just be rooted back to getting a gun is what it boils down to. Well, yeah, I know you like to do online shopping. I'm sure if you plug in that Orange County zip code, they'll ship it straight to you, no questions asked. It's got free shipping to Orange County on any gun in the store. Mr. Stewart, since you haven't been spending all of your income on a place called Juice Press, you're able to purchase a wide assortment of firearms and munitions.

We'll ship it direct to you. It's very fast. We have a pick and pull system. We can get this to you within 24 hours. Pick and pull? Pick and pull, bro. I mean, look, you need the AK on the beach to let people know to stay away from your towel. I mean, I didn't want to have to get an AK-47, but who knows? The times are changing every day. I hope that you and KK have been inspired by the couple in St. Louis who made it look so cool. You know what I mean? I think they really, like, kind of, you know, sometimes it's hard to see yourself through a new lens and kind of, like, understand. You know, it's like you have to try clothes on, you know, some of us. We can't just buy them online. Same kind of thing. Seeing that couple was like, okay, it is possible to do this in a cool way. It was like, you know. Like watching Tony Hawk do the 900. You're like, okay, now I have a blueprint for how to finally be and act in this world. Exactly. God, this is, wow. What a great, I feel like we discovered a lot in this intro. You know what I mean? But we, I mean, we do have a guest today. Someone we're both friends with, a New York resident, Hannah. goldfield who is the uh what is her actual job she's the food critic of the new yorker um you know liberal elite little liberal elite expensive magazine you may have heard of that comes every week if you pay a hundred dollars a year um she does the tables for two restaurant column uh in the goings-on about town section of the magazine and also writes you know many food related essays and reported stories for the newyorker.com um i'm curious to talk to her now that there ain't no restaurants beat yeah i've actually been reading her column and she's done some cool stuff i think and like found a way to like keep it interesting um without being able to go to restaurants but um especially the frozen dinner because you know i never fucked with frozen food before um so that was that was um a little bit another tough pill to swallow for

Yeah, we're going to remove the stigma of frozen food today. I could feel it. Wow. Thank you. Once again, TJ, just on the front lines, risking it all. All right. Let me give her a call. Yes. All right. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable. And they're just easy, but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics, but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. Upgrade that look starting at just $34. You know, if you get a nice linen suit, a little t-shirt underneath it, some chill shoes, you're looking good, but you're staying cool. The inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties. So elevate that summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns, even on a nice holiday now available in Canada. That is Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash how long. That'll get you free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince punto com slash how long. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, sort of our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world. writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative, but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools.

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Hannah, did you go to college? Because I'm sensing that you might be like an Ivy Leaguer. I barely was first, but I'm coming out swinging. Yeah, I mean, hopefully they're hiring at the Genius Bar or in the Geek Squad because you are a tech guru. Damn, I mean, look. It seems like a good time to be working at the Genius Bar. I think so, too. Look, they can do all the appointments digitally. That's literally what they're set up. And also, thanks to my friends in Orange County, it's the only bar that's open right now. This is just the type of humor that we talk about on the show, Hannah. Buckle up. It's so good. I'm ready. Warm you up. Well, now you're our second in a row parent, newish parent, right? What are we talking about here? Wait, who was on last week? I must have missed that. Who is the other parent? Last week? You're talking, we do this shit three times a week. This is last week. Yeah. Three times a week? It's a thrice weekly bi-coastal elite podcast. You read the description. No wonder I'm behind. Blood the streets. That's our method. We make ourselves inescapable, and therefore people must listen. Matt Schnipper. Okay. And he recently, I think his son Renzo is four months old. So what are we working with over here at the gold-tealed household? My son is, let's see, he'll be 14 months later this month. So I guess he's like 13 and a half months if you want to be super precise about it. Let's call him a year. I would like to ask a question to a parent because I've asked this before, but what's up with all the months shit? It's crazy. like why is that a thing until like they're five years old i feel like i feel like it goes crazy i think it's because they change like at this age they change so fast that it like it wouldn't be specific enough to just say that they're one or two or whatever because there's actually like a huge difference between a 12 month old and a 15 month old in terms of like development i think i think that's why that makes sense just kind of like habit from like you're just i think when you're an early parent

or you're in the early stages of parenthood, you're just like, you're desperate to be marking time because it's like, it's hard. And you're looking, you're always looking forward to a point when some aspect of it will get easier. And you're like, oh, they start to do X, Y, or Z around this week or this. And then it becomes this month. And then maybe, I guess, eventually. You need a more precise metric to measure things. And much like, you know, the world of cooking. It's kind of like using the metric system versus the American standard. We need millimeters, not inches. I think that's right. I think that's exactly right. Beautifully done. Yeah, wow. What a fucking poet. Stay tuned for more great lines like that. That is something because my sister had twins like a year ago. I've been hearing a bunch of fucking baby terminology getting thrown around. And I'm just like, I don't know why a separate language needs to exist. That's all I'm saying. But your point is valid and I respect it. Okay, thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, speaking of babies, I saw you tweeting about falling into the mommy blogger explore page world. We were talking about explore page, not problems, but just peculiarities with... we had a guest with the explore page with the explore page. Yeah. Um, the person who worked in Instagram was on earlier this week and we were learning more about that, but you, you have fallen victim to mommy blogger explore page, which sounds like the worst. No offense. Yeah, no, it is the worst. You, you get, I mean, it's also, I'm like super fascinated by it, but yeah, you get, you get really pigeonholed I find with the explore page. And I think, I think what happened to me is that early on in, in my motherhood experience i was like a friend recommended following a breastfeeding account which actually was was kind of helpful because it turns out this guy sounds like a freak but go ahead yeah it was a woman actually it was another mother um but uh it turns out breastfeeding

is like extraordinarily complicated for almost everyone in my, you know, anecdotal experience. Um, and so this account was actually kind of helpful. There's like tips for, I mean, I could spend a whole podcast talking about this and I will not cause it's extremely boring unless you're going through it, but you're welcome. But, but there are tips for all kinds of things. And so I was following this account for a while and I think I followed a few other like, There are some cool motherhood accounts. There's this one. I think I've actually unfollowed them all now because I got... just overwhelmed by it but there was one that was like called designing motherhood and it was sort of looking at the history of the way motherhood was like talked about in advertising and there were cool photos and stuff anyway i think that i just like sealed my fate by following those accounts and the algorithm decided that i also wanted to see like mommy bloggers all over america who named their kids exclusively things like jackson and like you know like the i think i think the one i tweeted about her i shouldn't probably single anyone out but i will because it was so horrible please do her kids are named her kids are named One of them was named Boss, which is bad on its own, but it turned out it was short for Boston. Oh. Why would you name your child after the worst city in the world? Literally. Yes. And also, like, she didn't even live in Boston. I think she's, like, somewhere in the Midwest or something. I can't remember. Maybe she was in California. And now I can't remember. The other kid's name was pretty bad, too. I think it said, like, was it Holly with a K? Yes. Yes. It was Kali. Yeah, exactly. Spelled like Kali with a K. And then, you know, she had her husband and they were having a third kid. And she said something like her bio is like the latest photo is something like, can't believe I get to do this with you again, babe. And it's just like that. over and over and over again it's like there's these crazy just crazy number of facsimiles of the same person it's so bizarre and then i i also went off into like a sort of side road onto all this is actually kind of dark and really fascinating but there's also like a world of of women who can't have babies but who sort of you for various health reasons i guess but who kind of use the same language and format so like

There's this one woman who kept popping up for me who is, I think, in Germany. She has bilingual captions. She does the same kind of – what are those little boards called where you can change the words around that people use for the one-month photo and the two-month photo? Yes, yes. You don't know what they're called when you have three in your house. If I owned a cute coffee shop, that's where I would put my pun for the day. Yes, exactly. They use those at various boot camps. That uses a Barry's Bootcamp to let you know what body part you'll be working on. That seems really useful, actually. I agree. I agree. But so this German woman was using it, like, to mark the... the months that, that she hadn't gotten pregnant. It was like so dark. Like I shouldn't say that I'm being judgmental. Cause for her, I guess it was like, there's like a community of these women supporting each other through their infertility journeys. But I just found some, I just found it so weird that it was like exactly the same. Like aesthetically it's so similar. Yeah. Yeah. That seemed weird to me. And also like, I guess people find it meaningfully meaningful to share that with each other, but it felt. I don't know. It just felt, it just the whole thing. Yeah. I mean, I guess I'm sure it is cathartic to some and you know, it helps, but it is, it is an odd thing that we also can't talk about at all or judge whatsoever. Yeah, I know. I know. Well, that's, which is hard for us. Very hard. I learned recently because of like a mom YouTube scandal, like what rehoming was. Oh my God. I could not look away from that. When you adopt. Yeah. So this like popular, I mean, YouTuber and her husband had like adopted a child, like a special needs child. And then I guess that I couldn't deal with it and gave it back basically. And, and like, or, and then had their lives ruined, but I didn't know. I just had never heard of it. Well, sure. But I mean, like there, I just didn't know about that term. I mean, I, I just never thought about that situation at all. So it was, it was a very big learning experience for me.

Totally. And that was another weird thing because it's like the same language that people use when they're talking about like adopting dogs, like rehoming and like forever home. I saw that. I've seen that used for dogs and then also for children, which feels like I'm not one of those people who's like having a pet is nothing like having a child because I actually kind of feel like it is more similar than people want to admit. And I felt like that became more true when I had a kid. I was like, actually, no, this is kind of like having a dog. Like it's more intense. But in the beginning, it's actually sort of comparable. But to use that same language for adoption of a human versus a pet strikes me as a little bit. Yeah, there's a lot of items in the world that do not have returns or exchange available. And I think a human is one of those. Yeah, I agree. But the tag's still on, bro. I got the receipt. What do you want from me? Yeah, this is a pro-life podcast. You know that, right? Yeah, sorry. Sorry to spring this on you. Sorry to spring this on you 15 minutes in. So have you been in New York the whole time or did you guys get out of town? No, yeah, we're actually out of town right now, which I feel very conflicted about on the one hand and also thrilled about on the other hand. We are in New Hampshire where my husband is from and his mom is retired and very generously offered to. help us out with childcare. So we've been here for the whole month actually. And we are going back on Sunday, I think. So why, why go back? You just feel like you've overstayed your welcome or you haven't met the mother-in-law. Oh my God. She's a living angel. We're going back. I mean, I have to go back for work really. Because so what I did, I've still been writing my column every week and it's still about restaurants in New York. Thanks. But but what I did before we left was I kind of like banked a bunch of experiences so that I could write about them remotely. But I'd already like, you know, done all the stuff. And then also like the publishing schedule lined up so that there wasn't like there's a double issue one week. So I didn't have anything to do.

But now I'm out of, I'm kind of out of things to write about. So I have to go back for that reason. Me too. I'm just like, um, are you going back? Uh, no, I've, I'm, I'm in Atlanta and I'm going to LA tomorrow actually for July, um, to reconnect with Jason and just really, I'm rehoming, I'm rehoming with Jason. Yeah. You found your forever home. I found my forever home. To be, to be determined. I was going to say, does Jason know you're his forever home? I'm not. I ponied up and I'm staying alone, but I just needed a change of pace. But I haven't really been. I was in Montreal and then I drove from New York to Atlanta. So I've kind of moved a little bit more than most people probably. Yeah. How are you going to get to LA? Oh, we're getting on the Delta. Big boy, we're getting on the plane, baby. Nice, nice. Well, you know, Delta is obviously my preferred partner. Yes, obviously. My preferred airline partner. It's the only airline. And how long gone podcast. But it's in Atlanta. It's an Atlanta-based institution. So I've been supporting it since I could. But they have actually, American United, Broke Boy Airlines, have said that they are going to fill those middle seats. And Delta is not. And Delta. Because they recognize the importance of their customers' health, have decided to keep those middle seats open, even though that's like a one foot. You know what I mean? It ain't six feet. It seems, yeah, yeah. But I think it is. I mean, I flew. I had to fly from Montreal to New York because they wouldn't let me rent a car and cross the border. And I've said a few times, it's like I felt like the airport was safer than the grocery store as far as amount of people. Really? There's nobody in it. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. And there's nobody on the plane, really. I mean, this flight might be different because it's a more popular route. You know what I mean? But I'm interested to see, for sure. I'm not super paranoid. I do what I'm supposed to do. But, like, I'm going to fly if I need to fly. You know, it's not. I don't know. Because you guys drove to New Hampshire, I imagine. Yeah, yeah. It's like a five-hour drive or something. Well, as a member of the Brooklyn media elite, I imagine you have a car.

We do have a car. I'm so like, God, there's so many things I feel like I can't say about my life, you know, but yeah, we have a car. It's okay. It's okay that you own a late model Subaru. We're not going to, we're not going to make fun of you. It's a Volvo. Oh my God. We thought about Subaru, but we went for the Volvo. But before that we had like a real beater for a long time. And then when we had the baby, we felt like we had to get, we had to have a safer car. So we do. I've heard car sales are through the roof right now because it's cheap as fuck. And people feel trapped. I've heard it's really cheap. I bet. And also de Blasio, who is like a garbage mayor, did just do one good thing, which is change the alternate side parking laws, which I bet inspired people to. Go cop the whip. Wow. Yeah, exactly. So de Blasio doing some backroom deals to really get those votes. It's really important stuff. Give the people what they want. We don't want to know how much money Kia paid him to say that. Exactly. Big auto strikes again. God damn it. You hate to see it. Well, I'm glad you have a Volvo and not a Super X. I think Volvo is a better car. Is it a wagon or a small SUV? Um, it's, I guess it's a wagon. I think technically it's a hatchback, but, but it's like, I don't know what the difference is between a hatchback and a wagon. It looks like, it's like we wanted a wagon and it's the closest thing we could get to a wagon. I think that that's not like, you know, 20 years old. What, um, what did your husband maybe like surf sometimes? No, he does not surf. That did not weigh in. No, he's not a surfer. Although surfing is surprisingly big. in new hampshire he does his parents do live on the seacoast of new hampshire which is like seacoast really small that's what they call it that's what they call it that sounds like a little snooty person thing to say instead of beach you just replace the word beach they call it the new hampshire seacoast and it's only it's only 12 miles long it's like this little teeny part of new hampshire that is on the shore sounds like an exclusive community

I'm not going to say any more about that. No, no. You're speaking to a man who only wants to be welcomed into exclusive communities. Well, Chris, come on up. We're ready for you. I'm not great with kids. I've never had a pet. I can't cook. I don't know what you guys need. Well, we should talk about cooking because that is the beat you cover. And I really liked the frozen food. Oh, thanks. Piece that you wrote because I personally, as a person who doesn't cook and everyone that does in my life tells me the ingredients are so important, blah, blah, blah, farmer's market. I just have never considered frozen food as even an option, to be honest. So I freed you. I freed you, you might say. And I did try some frozen dumplings, President's Choice brand in Montreal, and they were delicious. Nice. Nice. I'm so happy for you. I honestly don't know if I would have done that. And Alex bought them for us, and I was like, we're going to try frozen food. And then I was like, I thought back, and I said, you know what? Maybe it's time to open my third eye and get in here. You're warming my heart. Or freezing my heart, I should say. Sorry, sorry. No, that's good stuff right there. No, that's A plus material. I can tell you're working on a tight five for when this quarantine is over. Yeah, the thing about the frozen food and the farmer's market stuff is like... I mean, you can, the thing is you can freeze farmer's market quality ingredients, which may or may not be what president's choice is doing. I don't know. I've heard you talk about president's choice on the pod and I'm very familiar with that brand actually. Cause I've spent a lot of time in Canada and you were a sympathizer like me. Oh my God. I'm a huge, I'm a, I'm a freak for Canada. I love Canada. I will. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I'm more patriotic about Canada than I am about the United States, which for obvious reasons. But yeah, I grew up going to Nova Scotia every summer. So we ate a lot of President's Choice. Wow, Nova Scotia. You're really fucking getting out there. I tell you what, hitting the fucking coast, eh? That's fucking wild.

I can hear Jason, like, stretching out the neck of his shirt, sweating. No, no, no. When I start doing a Canadian accent, Jason turns into Rodney Dangerfield immediately. Yeah, I'm fine with everything except for when Chris does accents, you know? Well, I mean, anyway, so have you been... uh, using and eating and enjoying frozen foods for a long time. Yes. Yeah. Oh, you have. Okay. I have. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. Initially I wanted to, maybe I'll still do this at some point, but I wanted to write like a much bigger thing about frozen food and like kind of rehabbing the image of that or the association people have with frozen food because I mean, cause I noticed that I wrote about this company in, in that column. that i think is kind of on the cutting edge of it um it's called ipsa and so i thought i thought that was interesting and then but then i also I think I mentioned this in the column too. It's like frozen food is huge in France. And I just feel like it's about to experience or maybe it already is experiencing a renaissance. I have, I like grew up like my grandmother was like truly obsessed with the idea of freezing food and she froze everything and had an extra freezer in her basement. My dad always kept the freezer really well stocked. So I always ate frozen food. I don't think I thought of it. I don't really think I thought of whether it was good or not. I just like ate it. And then recently I would keep like certain things in the freezer up until recently. And then I started to really like work on my frozen food game. And now I would say it's a pretty big part of my home diet. What do you think some of the best foods that translate to the ice, the ice box? I think like anything like soupy or. stew like is especially good that's disgusting thank you sorry yeah the word soupy is really gross isn't it i'm fine i should i should have said any kind of stew or like um like anything in the soup family i guess i think works pretty well meat freezes pretty well like raw raw meat raw vegetables tend to freeze well a lot of them do anyway and like and dumplings freeze really well um anything like

that you would bake bake freezing it before you bake it is generally a good idea like cookie dough even like i think i mentioned this in the column trader joe's sells like par baked croissants for example and those turn out really well um and then when i was writing the column i ordered all this stuff i got dumplings i got scallion pancakes i got pita bread like all kinds of baked goods that were all half baked and then and then you cook them you finish baking them yourself or cook them in a pan or whatever. Other than maybe frozen peas, do you think there is a food that – or are there any other foods that are arguably better when you buy them frozen versus fresh? It's so true. Frozen peas really are better. I've gotten really into frozen broccoli too. I don't know if it's better, but it does – there is a similar like – I think it has a similar kind of sweetness for some reason. I don't know if there's science behind that, but like frozen peas – for me are always like sweeter and more tender. And I kind of think that might be true of broccoli. I always use, I always use frozen peas when I get a black eye. So I didn't know that actually, I didn't know they tasted good. I didn't know they actually. Yeah, we actually, my mother-in-law got her knee replaced recently. And so she, and her doctor told her to buy huge bags of frozen peas. That was like his recommendation. I was going to buy some when we got here because my son loves frozen peas. Does your mother-in-law live in Oregon Trail? What the fuck? Can't you get an ice pack? Is this a movie from the 80s? Because what's going on here? For whatever reason, I think it's because you can mold it around your knee. I would think that they would make some kind of a gel pack for that, but apparently peas are what her very... well-regarded knee surgery very ergonomically friendly yeah i guess so so anyway so she had this huge stash of frozen peas so we didn't even have to buy because my son like peas are his number one food he literally like drinks them and whole so she had this huge stash of peas that were all ready to go

Drinking pee is fucking nasty, but yeah. We don't talk about water sports in this podcast. That'd be really great. It's not that kind of show. Okay. So how's, how's COVID going for you? Anybody, anybody have it? Not as far as I know. I was just saying because I put a casual spin on it. I just got my results back an hour ago, which is why I was asking. Are you negative? I am negative. Congratulations. I'm really happy to hear that. But Chris is flying. Thank you. Chris is flying to L.A. tomorrow. And then we haven't even discussed whether or not or if or how we're going to potentially podcast together in person. Wow. It hasn't happened. Are you ready for that, Chris? I think the energy is palpable, whether it's broadcast via telephone or broadcast in the same room. I don't know if the listener will pick up on the raw energy of us in the same room because we're able to replicate. Don't you think you'll rag on each other more if you're sitting next to each other and you can make fun of whatever you're wearing? I feel like you're itching to do that. I also feel like, is it true that the bulk of our subject matter is insulting each other? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. That's fine if it is. A large piece. Yeah. It's definitely part of the appeal and the charm. You're like, you know, you're a classic comedy duo. Yeah. Abbott and Costello over here. I couldn't agree more. Jason, I am ready to get swabbed and get in the lab with my king and really go, I mean, you know. Okay. Is it easy to get a test in LA? I'm... I've been tipped off to a private situation where you pay, which obviously I'm interested in because it costs money and you could get it for free. That's the cross section of things that I like. But I don't know. I'll just do whatever because I've also arranged for a trainer. So I need to be ready for all of these activities in one fell swoop. Will that be outside your trainer?

Yeah, it is outside. So that's probably fine. It's fine. Yeah. I mean, I don't, but the vibe in the beach in New Hampshire is pretty loose. I imagine it is. Yeah. I mean, I would say right now it like COVID feels very like theoretical here. Like the numbers have been going, have been going down recently and I'm not sure what will happen with this current, like huge surge that the rest of the country is seeing. Cause they're definitely like also opening up here in a way that. they they weren't for a long time but like there i think most of the cases here which were small in number were in nursing homes and it wasn't really spreading and also it's like it's kind of rural the whole state is no, there's nowhere that's super dense. Yeah. Um, the beach, very few people wearing masks on the beach, but also like very few people coming within six feet of you, you know, it's just wearing a mask on the beach seems crazy to me, but I don't know. I don't know if I'm wrong. I'm often wrong, but I don't know if I'm wrong. Yeah, me too. I mean, I do. I was talking. I talked to a doctor about it, like a friend, a family friend who was saying that really, like, it does seem like it's okay to be outside because there's so much air pushing around and, like, it doesn't seem, the beach does not, here at least, doesn't seem to be an issue as long as you're not, like, sitting on top of other people. But, you know, like, people are not socially distancing within their groups anyway. It's like, I've seen like so many groups of teenagers who cannot be part of the same family. Fucking teens. They're always the ones that ruin it. Teens are the worst for sure. They're all playing this weird game. I wonder if this is a thing on the West coast where I don't know what it's called. It's like a little like trampoline and you throw a ball. Oh yeah. What is that? I have seen that. I don't know. I think it's somehow related to like the, the, the Southern game where corn hole. Yeah, yeah. It's like a drunk game for dumb people. Yeah, it feels like a drunk game for dumb people. But everyone has it. Like every single group of teens has the same weird little trampoline. So you meet up with your friends and throw ball at trampoline. Yeah, exactly. While drinking beer on the beach. That sounds good. I was going to say, Jason, that sounds like something you might want to set up in the backyard. Could be fun.

Yeah, I mean, just at first blush, you've got my attention. It sounds like I could really be tossing that ball. Speaking of that, you know, I feel like now this time of year, you know, this is the first year where 4th of July is just like all the wind is out of the collective sails of 4th of July. Do you think we're ever going to experience 4th of July ever again or is it just done forever? I feel like not in the same way. I mean, I'm sure there are a lot of people who feel totally, you know, unambivalent about it. But a lot of Trump supporters are very ready. Yeah, exactly. But I like I was emailing someone the other day and I said I was like about to type happy fourth. And I think I said something like. something about the holiday and i was like maybe someday we'll feel like celebrating america but it's just not now and i was gonna say celebrating america again and then i was like but we never should have been celebrating america you know it's like it's an illusion that like there was a time when it felt good to be patriotic to me where although like my dad i feel like i was talking to that about i was talking about that with him and he still i think has this boomer desire to feel patriotic you know and i and i guess i get that but i feel like my whole life has been a lie or like an open lie you know tell your dad to call me because i'm taking the pontoon out on the fourth and we're gonna you're gonna get crazy chris chris has also he shares a lot of boomer desires with your father no i i do think though that that fourth of july is i i don't even i it's I don't even think about it as celebrating America weirdly. Like I, I think about it as like a barbecue holiday or something. Like I don't even consider it, but I know that that, that, but that is the problematic root of the holiday. A lot of holidays get totally divorced from their original meaning. Like lots of Jews celebrate Christmas, for example. But yeah, so I, I think people will continue to celebrate 4th of July forever, but I think it will be really different for a lot of people. If not, if not everyone.

And it's just not going to feel – and also like this year, because of all the fireworks stuff, I feel like it's going to feel extra. The wind is – that's going to take a lot of the wind out of the sails too. Did they call off the fireworks in your private beachfront community? I actually have no idea. I don't know what's going on fireworks-wise. I have not heard any fireworks. I know last month I probably had the worst flag day of my life. What is flag day? Exactly. No, it's a, it's another, it's another holiday that pops up on your Apple calendar that you've never heard of. What is it something to do with? I mean, I guess it's just, yeah. I mean, maybe that was the day that they made the American flag. Nobody knows what flag day is. What do you think? What do you, how do you think they're going to add an extra star to the, to the flag for Washington DC? That's a great question. Really great question. No idea. Something I've really been mulling over in my head. That's a really good question. We've been sharing mock-ups. Nothing has stuck yet. You're going to make a bid? Jason did a Blue Lives Matter version. I had to tell him to relax. Then we did a regular version. I didn't know that was bad. That being said, do you have any 4th of July grilling tips? Again, your transitions are just seamless. I'm not very good at grilling, I have to admit. I've gotten really into sausage lately as a really easy thing to cook and babies like it. Other than that, you're barking up the wrong tree. Are you familiar? I was at a friend's house in the South. The Big Green Egg is very popular. It's a 4th of July mainstay in the black household. Only 4th of July? No, but my grandfather was an early proponent of the Big Green Egg. Rest in peace to him. He really hammered it into my brain and that's what you use.

So I didn't know if you don't have access to one. I don't have access to one here. Or in Brooklyn, actually. But a lot of people have them in New York, I feel like. You can get a small one. Yeah, and it's like a nice slim profile. Yeah, if you're a rich guy, then yeah, you have to have a big green egg. Thank you for saying that I have a nice slim profile. That's a nice thing I've heard in a while. You and your big green egg share a nice slim profile. So wait, do you use the big green egg yourself or is it someone else in your family? Maybe you're not familiar with my background, but I don't cook at all. You don't cook. I know, but I thought maybe Chris can't even start a fire. I've learned, though, I have learned after doing, you know, two and a half months worth of dishes in Montreal, I have branched out and I am able to make a salad. That's phenomenal. What goes in your salad? Well, this is based on Alex's recipe. I've modified it a little bit, but it is half kale. I mean, sorry, no, sorry. Half spinach, half arugula, avocado, green onion, pita chip, and... two eggs on top. That sounds really good. What kind of eggs? The pita chip has thrown me for a loop. Well, you know what, Hannah, I just like a little crunch. You know, I don't... Pita chip is nature's crouton. But I also know how you feel about carbs, so I'm impressed. Well, because I'm pushing myself so hard physically at the gym right now, I think that I... You feel like it's okay. Well, I just need a little sustenance. Chris only uses pita chips as fuel. He receives no pleasure from the crunch or the flavor. I mean, it's not like I'm dipping the pita chip into a delicious hummus or anything. It's just an accoutrement, basically. It's just for some texture. He's not happy about it. I did not. She sent me the recipe for the dressing. That seemed too complicated to me. It was going to require that by garlic. So I have been buying a vegan green dressing, a vegan green goddess classic at the local Whole Foods market. That sounds a little high calomy. I'm worried about that. Well, again, this is the one meal I have a day. So if you could fall back, that'd be great. They're good fats. I recently decided that.

dressing is like a con because i one day i watched this is pre pre-lockdown i watched a friend who's very good at cooking just like drizzle some olive oil and i think she used maybe two different kinds of vinegars and she was just like very intuitively putting salt and pepper with her hands. And it was just so good. And I thought, why am I mixing vinaigrettes? Like, and ever since then, I've just been squeezing some lemon, drizzling some olive oil and doing some Maldon and fresh cracked pepper. And I've kind of done away with dressing. in my life. I think, I mean, that's very good. And if you do have the technique and skill and the nuance to know about the perfect amount to add, then it's great. But also you lose out on some great emulsions out there in the world. I knew you were going to say that. Okay, guys. All right. Well, all right. Jason brought up the word emulsion. So we're going to just keep moving. Well, Hannah, she knows me at this point. I know. I really want to ask you what you're going to make for 4th of July. Or maybe you're not. What are you making me? I mean, it's kind of like our, I don't know. I don't even know if I want to celebrate the 4th of July. Yeah, yeah, sorry. So then what are you cooking in general? No, no, no. I mean, no, I'm making ribs. No, I'm just kidding. I really don't. I honestly don't know. I will probably, if I don't cook something myself, then I'll probably just find a local business to support. I think what I was planning on doing was having some cold fried chicken in a park somewhere. Ooh, that sounds really good. So I'll probably go to like a local spot the day before, secure the bucket, and then put it in the fridge overnight so then I could just lay in some grass and eat some cold chicken. Heaven. Sounds like heaven. Gross, but okay. Go ahead. Chris, I will bring a bag of Trader Joe's arugula for you. Don't worry. Maybe you could just peel off the fried part for Chris and feed him the meat. We all know that is the best part. Yeah, of course. And the unhealthy part. I do wonder what... Yeah, the 4th of July is going to be a bad vibe this year in general. I guess you're right. But it's an interesting...

like duality because i think people want to do something so badly yeah and we have all participated fourth of july for our entire lives without really considering what we're actually celebrating because we just want to go on a boat or like be in malibu or eat some fried yeah it's the same it's the same as all of us liberal people you know having super bowl sunday be the biggest food holiday of the year now and obviously none of us care about you know shakira or The Washington Redskins or whatever, you know? Right, right. I care more about Shakira than I do about sports. That's for sure. Of course. Who doesn't? We know. Most of America. That's for sure. But I do think the holiday will still be celebrated because it's just necessary. Like, for people to be outside, you know? Well, hopefully people can maybe reclaim the holiday as, you know, the same way that, like, their Indigenous People's Day is sort of... taking over Columbus day and things like that. Right. Yeah. That's what I would like to see. It will be an occasion for people to talk about all the things that they have been talking about anyway, in a more amplified way, maybe because it's such a like, Oh yeah. Reframed. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I would imagine. We love to pivot here. We do love to pivot. Have you had to have any, have you had to have any difficult conversations? Um, not. really, which makes me feel bad saying that out loud. Like I should, I mean, I've, I've had difficult conversations, not really difficult. I've had a conversation with like, with like family members, but yeah, but not like I've been asking my parents a lot about like various things from my childhood thinking about why. you know they made decisions that they made and like the friends that I had or didn't have growing up so like I wouldn't those have not been uncomfortable conversations but they've been like reflective did you uncover did you uncover anything that was like surprising to you or um I not super surprising like I I was I was wondering why so I I went to a high school that was not

So I grew up in New Haven, Connecticut, and I went to public school my whole life. And there were, I think, like 10 public high schools in New Haven. And I didn't go to the one that was closest to my house, which was majority black. And I went to one like across town, which was actually majority Hispanic. And I always wondered, I had not always wondered, I had never thought about why that was. And then all of a sudden I was like, wait, was I, were we doing like busing? And it turned out that that's just not actually how the... or like I thought that maybe my parents had had like worked the system to get me to this other school for some reason but it turned out that that's actually not how it works in New Haven which you'd think I would have known because I was already like 14 by the time I went to high school but but like you could just apply to whatever school you wanted and the school that I went to had like an honors program that was known to be you know the best in the city or whatever and that's why my parents had chosen it but it did make me you know I just even even within the context of that I thought about how the honors and this these are not things I haven't thought about before but the honors program was mostly white and um the school was very like self-segregating even though I was a minority student as a white person it's just like there's just all these super fucked up things that happen within these systems. And so I've just been thinking about that stuff, um, more than I have in recent years. I was, I was watching the West wing last night, uh, season one, and there's an entire storyline with Rob Lowe's character and, and, uh, his, his boss's, uh, daughter. And they're like trying to start dating. And they get this huge argument about this issue, basically, which is like school vouchers and that whole thing, which I haven't thought about in a very long time. But it is topical. It is topical now. Totally. And I've definitely been thinking, I mean, my son is so far from not, I mean, relatively far from going to school, but not so far. And that's something that's like such a, that's going to be such a hard thing to figure out because the system is so fucked up in New York.

God, there's like so many ways people cheated. And there's so many different reasons and priorities to figure out like where you send your kid to school. And it's a huge mess. So I've definitely been thinking about that and talking about that, at least with my husband and like some friends. But other than that, I think my difficult conversations are still ahead of me, I guess. I have a lot of work to do, as I've heard everyone say. So what about, what about you guys? Uh, I, I mean, when I got here and talked to my parents, I, I was pretty happy with their response and it was like a pretty long conversation. It wasn't, you know, I think that we've talked about it a little bit on the show, but I mean, you know, they're just lifelong, you know, Southern conservative people. Um, not super extreme by any means, but you just never know, you know? Um, and you know, like, like, I think there were a few things that were. Like the looting thing, I think is very difficult for parents to understand, you know, which, which, and I get that. I think that like makes sense as far as things to have difficulty understanding. As long as you understand the baseline issue of racism being the problem, then I think the other stuff can be discussed. You know what I mean? Like, I think if you, if you have a, a, you know, if you're on the right side, that stuff can be massaged and you can understand a little better. But yeah, nothing crazy. But again, I think that like, That was the one I was the most concerned with only because obviously I don't really have any friends that would be, that would be a concern. At least I don't think. And I, you know, I don't, my, that's just, I don't have that in my life. You know what I mean? I think that's the issue. I think that's the issue we're all going to have. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Is that, yeah, you, you're prepared or you're, you're somewhat prepared to be the voice of reason in those situations, but like how often those situations can actually arise. Yeah. Unless you get hired at Barstool, I don't know if it's going to happen anytime soon. Because of that, we have decided to sign with Barstool Sports to make this podcast. We're changing the name to Difficult Conversations. This is the announcement. I'm so honored. We only talk to employees of Barstool Sports and tell them why they're racist. It's going to be a great program. Still working on sponsors.

Yeah, the sponsorship part, we'll get there. Now that you mentioned about having a thought about your school location, it kind of reminded me of when I left middle school and I was going to high school. I was part of the last year where we were able to pick where we got to go versus based on where you lived. And I remember the school, the high school that I chose, it was just sort of like everyone just said like, oh, just go to that school because that's where like the coolest people go and like the hottest chicks are at. Yeah. But it was also definitely the school where the most white people went as well. Yeah, it breaks down that way all the time, all over the country. I think that's like, and even like, I guess I've been also thinking a lot about how I, so then for elementary and middle school, I went to this, I went to a magnet school that at the time had like racial quotas, which I don't think they do anymore. But so it meant that it was incredibly diverse. And, um, I think, I don't know how it broke down. I never like saw the numbers, but I definitely went to school with what felt like an equal number of at least like white Hispanic and black kids. And when we were really little, everyone was definitely friends. I remember like definitely having, you know, people of all races at my birthday parties and stuff and going over to friends' houses. But then, like, there was a real, like, self-segregation that happened. Although I was thinking about this, like, definitely happened among girls and did not really happen among boys, which I find fascinating. Like, by the time I got to high school, I would say I really did not have many Black or Hispanic friends, but all of my, sorry, girlfriends, but in my social circle, there were definitely... like i think probably because of sports that's exactly that's exactly what i was gonna say that's my theory i think that is like a weird a weird like unifier at that age totally totally and and the girls were just not as athletic there just wasn't that like

you know, devotion to it. Look, the barstool thing was a joke. All right. We don't want that kind of talk. I'm just trying to stay on topic here. You were too busy. You were too busy, you know, in your honors classes to worry about these little sports for dummies. You know, I understand. And look, it paid off for you. And meanwhile, they were like, they were, yeah, all these kids were just totally ignoring these, like, these societal breakdowns because they were all playing basketball together. And they're all still friends. it's kind of amazing like across like racial lines, across class lines. It really, like it really does make me feel like, Oh, like sports, like that's a real, you know, maybe it's a, maybe it's time you gave sports a second look. I think I'm going to look for a basketball team. Wow. Yeah. Just jump off the deep end and go straight to basketball. I'm sure you'd be great. Well, that's what, that's what they all, they're all, all my. All my friends were into basketball. That was the sport for whatever reason. It was basketball. It was big. It is probably the most popular American sport. Is it? Aside from maybe more than football nowadays. I don't know. I mean, I think it's the coolest sport for sure. It's the most interesting. I think it's the coolest sport. And it requires like... a lot of athleticism, which is appealing. Um, but I don't know. I think, I think basketball is probably at the top. Like, like football is close. Baseball is definitely out in terms of coolness. Um, but is that, but that seems like it's, that's true. Like on the East and West coast, but isn't like, isn't like the rest of America, like baseball and football maybe. maybe football football for sure is number one based on like if we're looking at money you know like that's like a much bigger sporting event than like the basketball jason yeah jason as a pizza employee jason loves the super bowl um but and now and now that the practices of nascar have been put into place the nfl is now the most racist sport again that nascar stuff has been really interesting to follow i haven't followed it super closely but like

I just don't, I mean, it's a fucking noose, guys. How can you say that anything but, like, it's insane to me. Like, there's no way to see that differently. I'm very confused. But, I mean, also, if you love to watch cars go around in circles, I don't expect you to really. Something's wrong with you. Yeah, I mean, no shot there. To put it lightly. I don't think we have a lot of NASCAR fans listening to the show. I hope. Definitely not anymore, Chris. But I've actually been to a NASCAR race, and I have to say it was pretty fun. I get that. But it seems like it would be fun as a one-time thing. Yes. Yeah, like going to the Kentucky Derby or something. Yeah, that's what I feel about hockey. I've been to one hockey game, and I was like, whoa, this is really fun, and I never want to go to a hockey game again. You really are from Connecticut. Hockey? No, my hockey game was in Montreal, actually. That's the only time I've ever been to a hockey game. Yeah, it's very popular. People say the same thing about childbirth. Yeah. That you only want to do it once. Very fun. Don't need to do that again. Don't need to do it again. But people do it again. People do it two, even three, four times. I've noticed. And they all have great Instagram profiles. Exactly. They're mommy bloggers. I saw recently there was some New Yorker union business going on. I don't know if that's something that you are able to talk about or would like to talk about. Yeah. I mean, I don't have that much to say about it because I haven't been involved because I'm not. I mean, I'm not a. I'm not on staff there. I was hoping you were going to say because I'm anti-union. I don't believe in organized labor. No, I'm fully in support of the union. It's all kind of in flux. For me personally, my job status there because writers have traditionally not been on staff. I didn't know that actually. no writer even like you know from from like the people who write even know me fry well she i think is now on top because it's it started to change recently um big dogs make the cut

Well, but for a long time, no, even they didn't make it. They were contractors. She said, well, well. Are you saying Nomi's a big dog? Because I would have to disagree with you, Jason. We're dogs of the same size. No, please. I could never fill her shoes. She is the biggest dog of all. Dogs of the same size is a very cool thing to say. Yeah, it was. Anyway, I... I may go on to have at some point. I don't know. It's all like now that the office doesn't exist. I mean, people are still having these conversations, obviously, but it's all just like, it's just all felt so chaotic. But yeah. Are you able to, are you able to write for other publications or other cutting ass publications? I, my contract stipulates that like, I think like the New Yorker kind of has right of first refusal. So I think if they didn't want something that I really wanted to write and I got approval, I could probably. write for somewhere else but I haven't really wanted to do that like you know I write the weekly column and then pretty much anything else I would want to write I think they would like I I'm not interested in like I'm not so beholden to some ideas that I wouldn't that I would like want to take them elsewhere I don't think Well, wait till that 10,000 words about NASCAR hits the brain and then we'll see who wants it. Maybe they'd let me do it. Who knows? Don't give any heat to the crooked New York Times, please. I definitely could not write for the New York Times. I think there are certain... Just ethically, I agree. Well, yeah, exactly. No, but I think... that would there's no real scenario in which they like i think and i think that's i think that's true for the new york times too like those are i think they view each other as direct competitors so like staff writers for you know the new york times magazine can't also write for the new yorker like they're you know it's pretty they keep it sort of tight in that way um so as they should because i want to pay for two subscriptions you know what i mean i want to make sure that i'm supporting

I'm supporting journalism as much as I possibly can. Chris needs a lot of tote bag options. First of all, no offense to you, Hannah, but the New Yorker tote bag is played. You know what I mean? Unfortunately, much like outdoor voices, they need to redesign. I like a scenario that she would take offense to that. Yeah, right. I'll be sure to let the powers that be know. Maybe you should submit a design. We're working on the American flag right now. We can throw a tote bag in. Yeah, you guys have the caption contest, but you need a freaking tote bag contest. It's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. Remnick, call me, bro. We're just giving it away for free. Giving it away for free. So you, obviously, as a food critic, have not really been reviewing too many restaurants. You've sort of been using your platform to at least kind of signal boost some local businesses who are selling food. That's a good way to put it. I think, I mean, yeah, they're all, all the, I guess that's not true. I was going to say all the places I've written about are restaurants. Some of them are restaurants, but yeah, I, I guess I like when this first all started happening, I kind of felt like, wow, I'm like, I'm out of a job or like, at least I'm out of this job and I have to figure out something else to write about. And then. we were I forget like I guess we were thinking like what else could the column be about should it even like keep running should I just switch to writing something else for the website or whatever and then we kind of felt like well we can't abandon restaurants in their time of need like a lot of them are still open and trying to do stuff and then like increasingly they were trying to do more and more creative interesting stuff and so I just kind of tried to keep writing about places that were doing something. And then I think I sort of expanded my idea of like what supporting the restaurant industry at large meant. So then I've now done like, you know, places that like are part of the restaurant ecosystem in addition to restaurants themselves. Cause it all feels like doing a little bit to just kind of keep them.

So like people selling bread on their Instagram and pop up restaurants. Yeah. Like, like some of the, like all, almost all of those people selling bread on their Instagrams are like out of work restaurant workers, you know? So it's like. Really? Because it sounds like they could be crossover for your little mommy blogger thing. So, you know, something to think about. You need to really vote these people before you give them the ink. No, they're legit. They all work to, like, you know, good restaurants. She would not signal boost a trash loaf, Chris. No, never, never. I would never signal boost it. But it's interesting, like, my job has changed. Like, I don't. i'm not really like a critic at this point like i'm not i'm not gonna say anything bad about anybody like there's only there's only boosting going on right now because that's too bad like i know i miss it i miss being able to to you know tear people down flaming flaming is the the yeah that's the dessert of criticism gone are the days where you can ruin someone's uh life's work and uh and career Well, I would say a couple hundred words. Exactly. I would say I, I, I always tried to be very calculating about that. Like I wouldn't punch down. Like I didn't want to do that. You know, like that's actually, that's actually my approach to Twitter as well. Really? So yeah, you don't, you don't want to ruin the lives of a, of a reply guy. Only exactly. I only want to talk about racists in like Kanye West. Like people who have big platforms and you're not going to dent. You're, you're going to maybe dent them, but you're not going to tear them down. Yes. Oh yeah. I think that's the responsible way to, to go about it. So yeah, I would, I would only, I only like was really mean when I felt like someone could take it and kind of deserved it, which is, you know, still like, who am I? Here I am. You're the one that has been handed the throne for your accomplishments. Do you think that will affect or change the way that you approach criticism in the future? It's a really interesting question. I think it just depends on what happens with the restaurant industry. I don't know. I would love to see it.

Not only get back to where it was before, but get much stronger and then I can do whatever I wanted. But like what's been interesting, it was an interesting is realizing like that as like, even as I'm saying, I would not punch down and I was only trying to, you know, be harsh to someone I could feel who I felt could take it. I'm now realizing that like pretty much everyone in the restaurant industry was like operating on super thin margins. I still feel like. There were some big dogs who were going to be fine and who were fine. I watched them be fine after I gave them bad reviews, you know? But I didn't quite realize how hard it was, which has been, you know, humbling and does make me wonder what the future is going to look like of the industry and of my job. Yeah. Yeah, why don't you wonder aloud, when can I go back to Balthazar for a fucking seafood tower? It's a really good question. Well, I think the answer was going to be next week, right? And now I just read that Cuomo, because phase three of eating indoors with really spaced out tables was supposed to go into effect on July 6th, and now Cuomo is watching what's happening in the rest of the country and having second thoughts. But I wonder if Balthazar might have been... You might have been really close to tasting that seafood tower again. It might be ripped from your grasp. All I want is a fucking shrimp cocktail. Is this just too much to ask? Will you be able to really enjoy it though? That's sort of what I'm wrestling with because I've been to restaurants a couple times since it's been opening. I've been to a restaurant. I've eaten at a restaurant, but it was outdoors. What about you, Jason? Were you indoors or outdoors? It was kind of like a hybrid indoor-outdoor thing. Like garage doors? What are we talking about? It was kind of like an indoor-outdoor patio type of scenario.

Okay. In like a food court type of thing. You know, Jason's on the cutting edge of local cuisine. So he was probably in somebody's house, you know, in Inglewood enjoying rare cuisine, you know. Nobody knows about this. But the whole time, you know, you're just not really able to enjoy a restaurant. You can't relax. You're kind of looking over your shoulder. You're wondering if your protocol is correct. You're looking at a menu with a QR code scanner. That's my least favorite trend for sure. I'm not going to get any more pleasure from being here than if I just picked it up to go and ate it in my living room. I haven't decided what I'm going to do now because there are now in New York outdoor restaurants. that have opened and I like, I guess I'm going to look for one that makes me feel fairly safe, but I feel really confused about it. Even, even in that context, like it just feels like, yeah, it's not going to be fun. I would just rather wait until there's some semblance of, of normalcy again, because all the reasons why I go to restaurants, you know, are, are, have not been remedied. It's, it's still fun. The vibe is going to be fucked. I'm only going for the vibe. All the food tastes the same. Well, and now I would disagree with that, but now like, I don't know how much more I can kind of find in terms of the creative ways in which restaurants are, you know, offering to go situations. But so far I've been like, it's like, it's the greatest time. to eat at home. In my experience, like there's been such a wide range, at least it seems to me, although maybe people are reading my column and being like another box, which is very possible. I've been really excited about all the boxes.

I just wrote about this, um, two different people who are offering like boxes of foraged ingredients. And it's like, you just couldn't do that before. You could not get someone to bring you a box of like amazing mushrooms and spruce tips and like, you know, soda made. Is it spruce tip season already? I know. It really is so easy to make fun of it. But spruce tips are so delicious. They're so good. I was really into the spruce tips. What do you do with the spruce tips? It's not crazy expensive. So the instructions that came with this particular box, which is from this amazing farm called Allura in the Hudson Valley, you could make like a syrup out of them and then use it in like a cocktail or soda. But also, you could just eat them. One of the farmers told me, try putting it on your yogurt and granola, which I did, and it was really good. They're super citrusy, and the small ones especially are very tender, and they're a little crunchy, and they have this really surprisingly lemony flavor, and it was great. I feel like a spruce tip could probably really elevate your plating as well. Oh, totally. They're beautiful. They're really nice looking. Do they have square steps in California? I have no idea. If they do have them somewhere, but I would have to forge them myself. I would never pay money to have somebody forge them for me. Why not? Change your attitude. I'm too advanced. Okay, okay, fair. You can figure it out. I have to dress the animal myself, you know what I mean? Yeah. Okay, guys. I have to make the cast iron pan myself in a Smith. You guys talking about spruce tips is worse than me talking about Uncle Tupelo for 10 minutes, man. That's how niche this is getting. Well, speaking of, you were just mentioning cocktails, and this is something that is maybe more interesting than spruce tips, but what do you think about the...

the wave of non-alcoholic cocktails and beverage companies happening right now? I don't know. I mean, I've always, like, they're fine, I guess. Like, I sort of feel, I remember I have a cousin who's a nutritionist. I'm sure I have a cousin who's an alcoholic. I have a cousin who's a nutritionist. I remember her saying, like, there's no, like, there's really no reason to drink. anything other than water like you don't get any so and which isn't to say that like like you know you only drink mocktails sounds like she's never had a monster but yeah yeah well i guess caffeine maybe i i was a lot younger at the time we were having this conversation maybe pre-coffee drinking this was years and years ago but anyway i just sort of feel like i've never like i'm not that into juice and if i'm gonna drink a cocktail it's like to get but like a little buzzed. So I was just sort of like, that's right. Hell yeah. Go off mom. Yo, I don't drink fucking juice. I'm not a baby. It just, I guess what I'm saying is it feels like empty calories. Like I'd rather. You're telling me, sweetie. That's exactly why. As a sober person, it doesn't interest me at all. Partly for that, you know, reason. And like, and the thing is, I don't feel like any mocktail is more exciting than like seltzer. I don't know how you feel about seltzer, but like if I was sober, I'm not a big drinker, by the way. And if I'm going to drink something other than water, it's just bubbly water. Like, I feel like that gives me the. I love the cold sting of a seltzer. That's for sure. I just find it all to be like kind of dorky, to be honest. And just like, I don't, I don't like, like, you know, drinking and doing drugs is cool. Very cool. And pretending to do those things. Yes. It's just, I mean, I'm, they're sending me some of that new one that just came out. Gia, I believe is how you say it. What's in that? I'm not even sure, but a friend worked on the design, the packaging, and she's like, oh, you're sober. You should try it. I'll definitely try it. I'm interested to try it. I just don't see those kind of products becoming truly part of the conversation in a way that is embraced by a wider set of people. The one thing that I think is maybe sort of an exception for me is, because I think a lot of those mocktails tend to be on the sweet side.

I do think that the sour, bitter profile is more interesting. I do like a shrub or a drinking vinegar. Go off. That's just a more exciting thing to drink. I have a friend who you may know as Salad for President. Her real name is Julia Sherman, but she's like a... Oh, I know Julia Sherman. Julia Sherman knows Chris Black. Hell yeah. Of course she does. Who doesn't know Chris Black? She, she has been, she's been making, I don't know, actually, I feel like some, I don't know, I guess, is sobriety, would you ever say that sobriety is on a spectrum? Not really, right? Like, you're either, you don't, you drink, you don't drink, but she's doing this. No, that's, that's the problem is that, like, now people like Nomi Fry are spreading, you know, Cali sober fake news. No, well that, well that's a temporary sobriety. I think sobriety is a spectrum. Well, like, I'm talking. Sorry. I, I, I. I disagree actually. I don't think you can, you either are or you aren't. It's very much like straight edge Jason. Well, well, okay. But well, here's the, here's the thing that makes me, that I'm thinking about is like, so she started making this very low ABV wine, which is like, it's not non-alcoholic, but it's like really, really low alcohol. It's like CBD of wine. Yeah, I guess, but maybe even. I don't know. Cause I don't, I haven't decided if I believe in CBD. Would you drink that? No, definitely not. No, no, no. I don't, I don't take CBD. I don't, I would never know. I mean, it's just not part of the program. It's not what you do. But I do think that, I do think that like that, I mean, the fact that, that partying has become less cool is the reason these products are having, this has nothing to do with the sober community. This has more to do with. the fact that like partying is not cool for young people. So there's a market there to sell shit like this to them. Right. And then like Julia, like who seems very talented to me, like making something like that is very smart because natural wine is so cool. And this sounds like an option for people who want a less alcoholic version of that, basically.

Yeah. And this is not, it's, it's, I just remembered it's called Verjoux and it's not something she invented. It's like, it's like an ancient, like, like it's like wine. It's like a wine runoff or something. Like it's some like part of the winemaking process. It hasn't been fermented to the point that it's become alcoholic. It's really good. She's, I think that part of the inspiration for her was yes. As you're saying, like partying has become less cool. And she was like noticing that people that she knew wanted to drink less. and also she was marketing it towards pregnant women also. Cause I think there's like a lot of pregnant women who will drink a little bit. Um, and very, very controversial. Yeah. Very, very controversial. Still controversial, but, um, and like kind of change, I think it's like the, the winds change back and forth all the time. Um, but yeah, but I guess, I guess, yeah, if you're a, if you're, if you're like in the program, you're not. drinking anything with anything not even not even in the program i'm not i mean not even not even that i just think that like if you're looking at sobriety like factually you're just not going to do that you know what i mean it's just like no kombucha i don't drink that either like bitters none of that shit really it's just not really i don't know i mean i think again i think there's levels to this shit you know of course that there's all kinds of ins and outs that get discussed i just i just find it much easier to be like I don't need to think about this. Like I don't, that's just not something that I entertain on any level. And that's, that's easier way to handle it. Yeah. You just rule out that category. Well, it's just, I don't think it's, I don't think it's really a thing to get creative with. You know what I mean? But, but again, I'm, I'm in it. That's my take on everybody who's going to have a different, you know, a different feeling. And also you get, you'll, you get easier. It's easier to bargain with yourself. Yeah. When you, when you don't take such a hard line stance. Exactly. That makes sense. I feel the same way about my snacking. Go on. If you just don't do it, once you open the dam, it's hard to close. So if you never do it, then hopefully it will never happen. That was also a joke, but my explanation still applies. I mean, snacking is dangerous, and as someone who's constantly trying to slim down, it's the enemy.

Um, but I actually, I'm known as a great snack. Like I can go into a health food store snack aisle and find a new product and it's almost always good. I feel like I have the same talent. I'm very good at putting together. Did you say I'm known as a good snacker? You're like a snack whisperer. I have the vision. Like when lentil chips are new. I'm seeing lentil chips before they're cool. You know what I mean? It's like doing A&R. I'm like a snack A&R. Are you good at putting a snack platter together? No. I buy one thing, I open the bag, I eat it to completion, and I throw that bag away. Got it. So you're just a trend forecaster. Yeah, it's just another thing that I've learned to dabble in that I found a little skill there. Got it. Got it. It's impressive. Very little and not very valuable to a group of people, but something I take pride in. I like that. Maybe if you got a job at Air One or something, who knows? Yeah, you could be a buyer. Well, I don't think I'm qualified for that, but Jason, we need to still do that thing for New York Magazine where we go shopping together for snacks. Oh, yeah. I would really read that. That's going to be actually, hopefully, video content. Oh, even better. What's the budget? Bitch, the budget is like you do what I say. What do you mean? Yeah, I like when you talk to me like that. No, we can get you a little check, bro. We can get you some fried chicken. I feel like Kanye being talked to by Kim. That is exactly our relationship. Where are you going to go snack shopping? At Erwan? Erwan is the goal, obviously. But unfortunately, I think the snack portion. will be coming out of Chris's pocket. So it's unfortunate that it has to be Erewhon. Somewhere less expensive, yeah. But Erewhon, the shopping experience there is so good because you're surrounded by beauty, which makes me want to spend more money. And that's how they've tricked you. Last since the aisles are too small for us, Jason.

It is a small aisle, but something about a very narrow aisle in a health food store brings me comfort. It brings me back. I don't disagree. And it has to be a health food store. Yeah, I mean, hitting Publix or Kroger or Gelson's or Ralph's is not going to. Yeah, it's not going to. I have to be able to stand in the middle of a store and be able to touch a raw beet, you know, a thing of like charcoal pills, and then like a cheeseburger that's made out of raw ingredients only. I have to grab any of that at any time. What is your, while we have you, you know, I'm anti. beyond me I think it's kind of gross so I would like to hear I would like to hear I feel like you're educated on this yeah I mean my stance has generally been and I got I took a lot of shit for this recently because I wrote something that said as much is that like any kind of like imitation I mean it's sort of similar to the to the mocktail thing right it's like like I would rather just either have a real thing or just skip it and like focus on another area and I feel like like vegetable or like cooking with vegetables has gotten so much more creative or, you know, this stuff comes in waves. So I'm sure there was like some other period of history where vegetables were treated in amazing ways. But I just feel like right now compared to like 10 years ago, like people are doing amazing things with vegetables and vegetables are just so exciting, can be so exciting. And I'd rather just like eat something amazing. That's not. trying to be meat than eat something that is like supposed to look or taste or smell or all three. Yeah. And do you think that we have Bon Appetit to thank for that? Um, great PR for vegetables. No. Damn. I mean, I'm sure they've helped, but no. That was not an actual question. Sorry. Oh, God. I was like, let me get into this. Well, whether or not it was an actual question, I'm going to answer it. Please. No, I think we have really good restaurants to thank for that. Yeah. At the top, at least. I'm sure that's kind of trickled down. But have either of you ever been to ABCV?

Oh, you know, we've actually funny you bring that up on this podcast. We've been there before, and that is the night I met Jeffrey Epstein's friend, Bill Clinton. Oh, my God. And Jason was able to capture a photo of Bill and I on the campaign trail together. Wow. When was that? This was literally the day that the plane records came out for Lolita Express. It was so bad. Wow. We were in New York together, and we went to ABCV, and the restaurant was abuzz, and everyone's like, what's going on? Everyone's whispering and looking around, and it's just fucking Bill Clinton there, chilling, like solo. Flirting with some man's wife that they were having dinner with, for sure. Oh, my God. Wait, was Hillary also there? Hell no. Hell no. No, Bill's out in the town with a young co-ed and her hunk husband. His just, you know, his magnetic personality. I just want to get some. I just love their kohlrabi. But ABCV is one. I mean, I love it. I mean, I don't eat meat. So I haven't in a very long time. But ABCV is exactly the restaurant. you you talk about when you're talking about like inventive which with vegetables yeah like that's the kind of like i eat there and i'm like oh yeah i don't need to eat meat like as long as i can eat it a b c b for every meal like so yeah it's harder to do that at home but what's the vibe if if if you know if a restaurant receives an email from you know hannah goldfield at newyorker.com what's the table looking like it does not work like that i i fly under the radar you still you so you i didn't know if you had to fly under the radar if you didn't If I had to or if I didn't have to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The magazine gives me a pretty long leash, I would say. I think I could have conversations with editors if I wanted to change how things were done. But just in terms of basic journalistic ethics, if I'm going to be reviewing a restaurant, I'm not going to be taking free meals. Oh, no, I don't mean when you're on the clock. I mean when you're socializing and flexing.

like to do that i just i mean i guess i could do that but that just makes me feel like that also feels yeah i you i don't use that i use my regular gmail address food critic at gmail.com i don't play these fucking games well well first of all i very rarely eat out if it's not for work so and and i just like have gotten in the habit of making reservations i mean this is all feels like i'm talking about the distant past because i haven't done this in months but like i would usually make a reservation under my husband's name or I do have some, some pseudonyms that I like, I just have written accounts under different names and I just like use them. I just would use them anyway, even if I wasn't writing about a place just because that's what my resi account says. And then you like to watch them all scramble when they see you walk through the door. You know, it happens less often than you would think or maybe as often as you would think because it's like a lot of places, a certain kind of place cares and a lot of places are not that kind of place. Like especially if they're not like buzzy places where like there are restaurants that have photographs of all the critics hanging up, you know, in the kitchen and then. there are like mom and pop places in the outer boroughs where they like, you know, they're thrilled to get written about, but they're not like looking for you or, or caring that much. So yeah, I just like, I like the other, there's been a time or two when I've wanted to go somewhere on some special occasion or someone's in from out of town where I've like emailed a publicist and asked for a reservation at somewhere that's like not new that I wouldn't be writing about anyway. Like where I feel like, and it always makes me feel kind of icky. But I haven't done it. Well, it must be nice, because that wouldn't make me feel like you at all. Chris Canarle. You have some clout, right? Some restaurant publicist must know who you are. It's worked a couple times, but unfortunately, I don't actually do stuff like that either. It makes me kind of uncomfortable, too. Because I'm also just like, I'm nobody. I mean, the most time I do stuff like that is for an advance of a book. Like, I will shamelessly...

email a publicist to get a book before it comes out. And I think that's pretty common. Yeah. Like I think most publicists are like, if there's a chance that you're going to even like tweet about this book or like tell someone about it, even like that's something, you know, like if you're a person with like any kind of platform, it's like, it's not like galleys are so hard to come by. I mean, yes, I agree. And in our like industry, broadly speaking. Well, I wish I could relate to you guys and your restaurant reservations, but I shamelessly try to use my clout to get in there. You do? One of my favorite moves is to DM the head chef of the restaurant and be like, hey, how does this work? Do you guys have reservations? And they're like, oh, dude, are you coming in tonight? Text me. That's how you get a free dessert, losers. Classic TJ scam. That sounds like a classic TJ scam. That's really good stuff. But not anymore. At least not for a while. Yeah, not anymore. It's fine. I've been eating food and not taking pics of it. Yeah. It's okay. That's how it goes. Well, Hannah, thank you so much for potting with us. It was a treat. Thanks for having me. It was. Thank you so much. Good to talk to you guys. Tell people where they can find you besides searching the new Yorker.com for your name. Um, well, I mean, I have Twitter and Instagram accounts that are just my name first and last, but I am trying to spend less time on them. Oh, come on. No, we're not. No, we're not. I am. You are. I deleted them off my phone. It's only been like two days, but I'm feeling like I really need a break. And also like, it's like, It's not a good time for me to be talking. I sort of feel like, which is why I came on this podcast. That's actually, that's a good point, actually. Well, it's not a good time to be talking, you know, with 140 characters or with photos. And, you know, it's good to have a long form conversation where your nuances and opinions can be translated better. That's a good point. Yeah, I feel like. More of a justification than a point, but yeah.

Yeah, yeah. No, but I actually think that's true. But yeah, in terms of like tweets, like, you know, I'm like, my Twitter account, I feel like I'm like, pretty obviously arch all the time. But like, you just don't want to be accidentally saying anything right now. It just feels like, I don't know, it just feels like not a good time to be tweeting unless you really have important information to convey. So I'm gonna like, I'm gonna keep tweeting, like, when I write something, but I feel like I'm gonna like... cut back on my like you know sort of your your takes on the world today yeah yeah i think that's i think well you're smarter than me um thanks for joining us thanks for having me have a great time in la together hey it's gonna be a movie you can follow along here at howlonggonepodcast.com please subscribe uh we'll talk to you soon okay bye guys bye