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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. Ciao. It's Chris Black and Jason Stewart. What's going on, big bro? Oh, you know, Versace. these are the words to say yeah there's a big acquisition today uh i'm on the ground i'm on the ground here i'm not reporting it um but you know it is it's the news has already broke that that the lauren sherman has is gonna cover it i'm sure i think she actually broke the story and was correct on the about the number even which is kind of what what Is nailing the numbers at what separates the women from the girls? I think it's more, yes, but I also think just getting anything right before it happens, the number makes it feel. Sounds like my husband. I wish he'd just get something right once in a while. Well, the thing that I, I mean, obviously Versace, a very popular clothing brand that has existed for. whatever, 100 years, blah, blah, blah. For them to be acquired for less money than, like, a La Croix dupe that some chick made four years ago is a little... The times they're a-changing, you know? Like, some...

yeah like some protein bar company is getting acquired for like 10x this david protein went for a no i mean honestly i was just i was trying to compare it to so it's like 1.375 billion obviously it's a fuck ton of money but you know in in 2025 where we're pumping and dumping the world you're right it's a penny the prebiotic soda is going to go for as much the poppy creamsicle flavor it's gonna puppy was acquired like a month or two ago for more than that it's crazy it's i mean versace's i mean for my money one of the ugliest brands to ever exist but it also has this amazing history and unfortunately the history does not reflect the price you know you're the wrong kind of girl for versace but you know it is it is such a rich history but at a certain point you know that history is it's history. No, for sure. But I, but I also think stuff like that, that is super kind of loud will always come back depending on the temperature of the world. Ooh. You know, like there will always, there will always be a point, you know, every decade where that kind of thing is cool again because of, you know, for whatever reason that that's my personal take on it. I agree with you except for the always part. I don't think it, I don't think it's an always. I think if somebody believed that it was going to come back again, it wouldn't have gone for such a small amount of corn. But, you know, we don't know the inner workings of these Italian houses, right? Well, I don't. You do. We don't. No, I don't. I don't know. I can't. No, these Italians walk too slow for me. I can't get anything out of them. Italians, I mean, even in Milano, I feel like that's going to be the fastest moving Italian. we were walking around all day and it's just insane man just just like walking slow stopping in the middle of the street it's i mean it's also busy obviously um but i was i had to get inside before something bad happened so you were you were not participating in the in a win in rome situation where

When in Italy, walk as the Italians do and live like they do. You just rejected it and said, I'm going to go look at Twitter in my room. I mean, I didn't bring any skin-tight suits and I don't eat gelato during the day. But otherwise, no, I mean, you know what's interesting that I've noticed? But to me, that's the whole point of traveling. I go to this place and I live as they do. So then when you return back to the hustle and bustle of NYC, you're rejuvenated and refreshed and you miss. All that rat piss and blank street. No, I'm good. I like to go to a place and do the good stuff and leave. I don't really care about the full acclimation. But what I was going to say, what I've noticed that is surprising to me on this trip is that a lot of Italian men are wearing barber jackets. And for some reason, that feels weird to me. It feels like they're usually in something a little different, a little less outdoorsy, I guess. But the trend has even touched the men of Italy, which was surprising to me. The Davide effect. So you're saying, do you like the way it looks, or does it feel wrong seeing these Italianos wearing the national... I mean, Italians are good at being nationalists, so it makes sense for them to dawn the... the uh barbure it's it's i feel like it looks good it looks good when it's francesco barbure it's like a big one and it's on top of a suit i'm like an adult man you know what i mean i think it's very cool i think some of and he's smoking a stick and he's like no black no black it's like that yes exactly exactly okay but yeah i don't i don't like it i don't like it on the young man like it just doesn't i don't know doesn't work for me but put on your ugly balenciaga let's keep it moving okay um Yeah, let's see here. Minecraft movie is doing well. Did you have anything? Yeah, we need to talk about the Weezer bassist wife shooting. This is breaking the internet from Stereogum to the New York Times. When's the last time a story has been on Stereogum, the New York Times, Pitchfork, all at once, and TMZ? And how long gone? Because it took place, the original crime took place on the 134 freeway.

The gateway to Eagle Rock from Glendale. So just mere minutes, you know, three minutes away from Mi Casa. Did you hear the shot? Did you hear the shot? No, no. So like a couple days ago, I saw on the news, shout out KTLA5. They're like, a weird thing happened. There's a hit and run on the freeway and three foos, I think, fled the scene on foot. You know, it's always a good sign when you run away on foot from a freeway. Things are, you know, you've got some warrants. You've got a reason to flee. They go into different people's backyards trying to hide. Some guy jumps in the pool. You know, maybe he's like, I'm about to get popped. At least I'll get one last dip. for a while or whatever it's very yeah it's it's very it's very very la coded to have like the chopper ktla flying above and watching a guy jump over fences and it looks like in slow it's in slow motion because they're so high up that's right it's it's a class it's great it's good television and it's what i grew up on yeah but then the the story gets weird because one of the homies goes i think goes into someone's yard and don't triple quote me on this but weezer bassist's wife comes out with a stick weezer wife just be clear the weezer wife bassist who is like a true crime reporter basically she's a true crime enthusiast i think she does podcasts she apparently makes documentaries about serial killers that she has a problem or a habit of injecting herself into these stories of serial killers so what my um what my theory is People who have guns and are obsessed with murder, they want to murder. And when you live in California or a state where if somebody breaks into your house or even just onto your property, you're illegally allowed to kill them. This is your chance. She's a spider. She's got her web set up. She catches a foo in the backyard. He's admiring the bougainvillea, et cetera, et cetera. And she's like, oh, shit, it's go time. It's live. I'm going to go pull out the stick out of the little.

cabinet in my office we're doing we're doing guy talk style it's a white lotus reference you wouldn't get it she's got this guy in the crosshairs and she's like thank god i finally get to feel the you know the sweet sting of of murder on my shoulders and then the police are like drop it and she's like And then she's like, fuck you, this is my chance to kill. All I've wanted to do is kill. And then the police don't like it when you then take your gun and then point it at them. I think the major issue is... That's attempted murder of a police officer right there. And Weezer's... Weezer chick is about to get... I don't know, four years? I think she probably just pointed the gun. I think this is probably a misunderstanding, and the cops are cops. You know what I mean? But I do think that... Well, luckily they fired a non-lethal wound because she's Caucasian. Yeah, she got away with that. She was able to go into custody not in a body bag. She'll get off. Those Weezer guys' pockets are deep. They're going to get Johnny Cochran on this. They're going to raise... Kardashian dad from the grave like they're getting there's just so many layers to this that you know I'm sure somebody has already acquired the rights if we have any friends over at Hulu or Peacock you know let's get the thing moving I agree with you that it feels like a misunderstanding and she'll probably get off but also you know you point a gun at a police officer and you don't walk you know that's it's a it's a real thing that they don't play with the police you know i would agree i would agree with you except there is some i mean not that weezer in southern california weezer is royalty you know what i mean i don't know if cops are listening i don't know if cops have taken out of their cd changer since you know what's with these homies I mean, Weezer, one of the worst, best bands of all time. So it's a funny, it's just the whole thing is funny. I mean, obviously, I'm glad she's not dead. But the whole story is just like too funny and weird. And this is what you get for being a podcaster. That's my main takeaway. If she does, in fact, podcast, don't mix the Draco with the Zoom recorder is what I'm saying. Those two interests are kind of at odds with each other. To all of our listeners who are deep.

in deep into true crime serial killer stuff you know let this be a cautionary tale and a lesson that you know when you go too far you know you when you put your hand in the tiger's cage you're gonna feel a claw you're gonna get nipped you're gonna get nipped and in positive news there's a new pulp song and it's good Oh, really? Yeah, if you didn't see it yet. It's the first new Pulp song in like 25 years or something, but it's quite good. And Stereolab, too. It's a big day for Chris. You know, it's a big, it's kind of, there's a new. Looking at the Pulp album, it's called More Pulp. Yeah, it's too good. The cover's good. It's sick. Also, we got a Lorde snippet. I don't know if you heard the Lorde snippet. Lorde seemed to be running through the park in New York. And then soundtracks by a snippet from a new song. That's how it's done. She wiped her socials. And you know it's go time. when the socials get wiped i want to wipe my social little mama wipe the socials you want to wipe your no you don't yeah i want big things coming you know what i mean there's no other way to signify big things coming more than wiping the ig that's it i mean either either big things coming or uh racist things being unearthed no So I got to get ahead of the wife. I'm not saying for you. I'm just saying in general. You know what I mean? When you see somebody do a sweep, it's like, oh, like Amelia Perez should have done the big things coming is what I'm saying. Oh, but that was a... Twitter is very different, Jason. Twitter sweep is very different. Twitter sweep should be done with a fine-tooth comb. So Instagram sweep, it's like, oh, shit, we have a new album. Twitter sweep, it's like, oh, like... The police are days away from arresting you. Days away, exactly. We have a guest today. Will is the front man of Car Seat Headrest. The new album is out soon. I don't know how soon. There's a single out now, but The Scholars comes out very soon. We were listening to it in the car in Eau Claire. That's right. Just over the weekend. So let's tap in with OG and see what he has to say. Let's tap in with this OG.

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This room was completely empty when I was using it on my own. And I'm just pretty terrible at cleaning up after people move out. My old, old roommates, they moved out about four years ago, and I just last week brought them back up a couple boxes of stuff that were sitting in my living room for four years. Well, Will, don't beat yourself up about this because it's... It's their responsibility to clean up all of their shit when they move out, not so much yours. So that makes sense why there's a brat poster on the back of your wall. This is not from you personally. I'm sure you're a fan of Charlie XCX, but your previous tenant put this up. Yes. I like the poster. Good visual design. I haven't listened much. You like the way the green plays with the black? Yeah. As you said, this makes me look a lot more hip, so I just leave it. What feels the most authentic to me, and I don't know where in the world you are, but the box fan feels like the most authentic piece of this whole set. That was my next call out. It really is. I feel like I'm watching the Zac Efron film, We Are Your Friends. Are you familiar with that? No, I'm not. Give it a look. It's not good. Okay. Okay. It's really bad. But it sort of encapsulates, like, somebody, like a musician in their early to mid-20s. Okay. You know, just getting off the, you know, I got a cracked version of Ableton from my homie, and we're going to lay down some dope-ass bass lines. Yeah, the fan is mine. The fan is mine, so accurate perception. Are you a guy that runs hot, or do you like the kind of white noise it creates? No, I'm generally sensitive, so summertime, hot. Wintertime, cold. I've got the heat on right now. Wait, where do you live? I'm outside Seattle, across the bay. Okay, okay. And honestly, it's really warm this spring. Pretty soon, probably going to be cracking out this fan.

Yeah, sure. It's going to be fan time soon. But so so right like a few minutes ago, a few minutes ago, you said you use the word hip, which is which feels like an antiquated phrase for somebody of your age. And then you've got the box fan and you know that there are a lot of modern advancements in the fan world. You've got a fan, you know, from Chris and my childhood, you know, in the 80s or whatever. So what what else in your life? How else do you practice antiquated ways of living, or is it just the fan and your language? No, I would say I'm fairly antiquated. Actually, this fan I got from my best friend who's in his 50s now. Shout out, big bro. My own interior design is pretty much a blank wall and an empty carpet. I keep telling... our drummer, Andrew, that he needs to stare at a blank wall more because he gets bored pretty easily. Um, but, uh, yeah, that's, that's my practice of, of antiquated practice. Great advice from the leader. All right. So your best friend is pushing 50. Um, what, what do you, is this like a mentor or just a homie that you watch football with and drink beer? Well, yeah, actually it's kind of both. Um, he, he's been kind of influential in, in guiding our band and, um, you know, I was just a solo act when I came here and he was, pretty much the first person I knew here. And, you know, so he was there when I was just independent, didn't have a label, moved here with my mom's minivan, and that was full of stuff, and that was pretty much it. And, you know, within a year, Matador had connected with us, and my friend Billis was... really influential in in how i handled that he told me don't get a manager um do it yourself and and see how that goes and i did do it myself for for about a year or so um and then got completely

tired of not having a manager but it was really it was helpful i was about to say you're the most you're the most not have a like i cannot imagine you not having a manager i know i've only known you for five minutes but no shit you do not want to be doing i know that yeah yeah no just a personality type and the fine people at matador are so fair it's almost like you don't need one I understand how you can get there, but you're saying some of those tasks, those day in and day out responsibilities weren't jiving with your creative force. No, but it was good to experience it because you want to know if you're hiring people to do stuff for you, you want to know what they are doing. Speak for yourself, but I feel you. I mean, I feel you. Okay, well, you should have not got into the music industry then, brother. Right, right. Yeah, but I mean, you know, it does. I think running it, you know, in that independent way does allow me to this day to kind of understand that it's like the choices that I make and that our manager makes. I don't just work in sort of a blank box and keep my creative bubble and let other people worry about it. pass stuff on to them so that they can act responsibly and not get tied up too much in the muck that can come with some industry dealings. Yeah, I love the muck myself. I live with the muck. I'm like a damn pig. I'm going to have to talk to my manager after this then. But I understand that that's not – but it is smart to – I mean, I think also depending on how young you are when you get started, it is easy for someone to come kind of sweep you off your feet and say they've got a handle, and then all of a sudden you're in a Lou Pearlman situation. You know what I mean? You're in sync, and you can't find your money, and you don't want that. You don't want that. Yeah, and eventually what we did is instead of hiring a big – big music manager um we actually hired someone that i had a contact with in college um so he was he was kind of just starting off at the time and you know we were easily his biggest act so he he we wanted someone who would represent us and not

be coming from the music world and have us in their piggy bank. I'm glad you said no. I know Irving Azoff called and you were like, look, man, I'm not competing with John Mayer. I can't deal with this shit right now. We're going to go with our buddy. You didn't want to be playing backseat to the Black Eyed Peas or something on the roster. You deserve the light to grow that you need. One quick call out at the beginning of your story. You said you have a friend named Billis. Yeah. I'd like to know how that's spelled, please. B-I-L-L-I-S. Just as I suspected. Do you know anything about this? Can you explain? Is there a story? I've never heard a name like Billis before. Yeah. Actually, his birth name was Bill. And I think that Billis is... I'm going to mess it up. A Swedish derivation of Bill. Okay. Because his dad's name is Bill, too. And he got sick of it. He didn't want to be Bill number two. All right. So you're telling me your friend was like, my name is Bill. So is my dad. That's annoying. I'm going to add Illest. Yeah. Almost like Illest, as if you were a rapper to the end of his name. Be the illest. I'm combining William and Beavis into one word to get a Billis. Yeah. Okay. That's just a quick little side quest on the word Billis. That's all, Will. Thank you for indulging me. No, it's good. I wonder how I would customize my name because there are a lot of Chris's out there. I just don't know what I could add to the end to give it some original flavor. Another S. I think you should just go with, you should switch to Stouffer. Yes, Stouffer. Stouffer is the popular. That's a popular one. There's also Topher Grace. Topher sounds, for lack of a better term, he sounds like a pussy. Stouffer sounds a little harder. Stouffer is good. They know how to make meal. I was briefly perusing your bio this morning, and it says in your bio, self-described, maybe not by you personally, but maybe Aaron, young internet rockers. Are you an internet rocker that's young? And what does that mean?

No, that's not accurate. I apologize. Well, maybe we just haven't updated it yet. You know, I started off... When I was born, I was pretty young. And since then, it's just become less and less true. You're doing Bob Dylan levels of poetic right now. I like that. I started as a solo act when I was... I mean, I guess in high school. And it was very Internet based. And this was kind of the early days of band camp. And that was kind of what and well, that will really what it was, was the golden days of iTunes. And if you were an independent artist, you know, at my age, it was not easy to get digital distribution. You couldn't really do that without a label. And Bandcamp was the first website where they just opened the doors and anyone who uploads those files, they go up online and anyone can access them, anyone can download them. So that was kind of a game changer. So I started doing that in high school and I just continued doing that through high school through college. There were banned versions of Car Suit Headdressed. It was me and my friends, and then some of my friends would graduate or get tired and want to do something else, and it would be me and a different set of friends. They would get tired of me and kind of my lording over them, and then they would move on. Yeah. It's hard to get high school friends. band and uh college students together i think to to do much but it was always mainly online okay were you playing shows or are you saying it's like it's mainly online in the way that like that's the kind of the only way you could experience it yeah we you know we would do house shows um there was a pizza parlor in williamsburg uh virginia which is where i went to college

and they were kind of the hip joint that you would play there, and that would be pretty much it. This parlor is one hip joint. It was a very hip joint. I mean, you know, Will, I was thinking about this the other day, but I think the first show I ever went to when I was like [redacted address]. It's a historic, it's not only where Hillary Clinton eats babies. They have shows there. They do all kinds of stuff at the pizza places. Yeah, I like to go there after the baseball game. After the big game. So being an internet rocker, I guess I was more curious of like, it sounds like you're describing it as like, that's how the medium of your art was, was created with other friends shared and distributed. But I was just wondering if the internet played any part in the musical element of it as well. Like, is, is there a style of like internet rock? You know what I mean? And if that is, I guess it's kind of you. I don't think that there is. Yeah, I guess you'll have to check with Aaron about that. But, you know, I was always sort of very open about how I was recording the music. So if I had a drum set and I could stick a mic in front of it, I would do that. If I didn't, I would log on to music.com. pull up some drum middies, just however I was going to get it done. Music.com. Oh, good. So in a roundabout way, the internet is the fifth Beatle in the early iterations of your band. And it's cool to be like, oh, I don't have a drummer. I can just go on music.com, download some middies, and then you've got a boom, boom. Yeah, drummer.org. Yeah, because I just... Yeah, however I could fill in the blanks in the music, basically. The internet allowed me to do that. Yeah. What is up with long songs on this new record? Yeah, bro. You got some long boys on there, don't you? How long is the longest one? Almost 20 minutes?

About 18, I think. Yeah, bro. All right, calm down, Mac DeMarco. All right, let's chill out now. 20 minutes. Well, Will is crafting a rock opera. Of course. Whereas Mac might not be. You need songs that long. And I will say, having listened to the songs as singles, they're able to stand on their own, which is something that does not usually happen in the few rock operas that I've listened to. You kind of have to enjoy it as an entire piece, but you would never know. So, well done, Will. Not easy. Yeah, that's always kind of our goal, that the album's going to work as an album. You can listen to it back to front, or front to back, rather, and also have the individual songs. So that was, you know, I always kind of held out against doing a rock opera. As most bands do. As most bands do. I do, you know, I've been a very album focused guy since I started listening to music. So that was always something that I knew of. But I also knew that that can kind of take away from the song, song by song experience. You know, you pull something off of the wall. It's not necessarily going to be, you know, banging on its own. It needs that context. And I like when you can pull a song out and have that individual piece. So we wanted to strike that balance on this record. Matador probably wishes the rest of their bands would be thinking like you too, huh? Right, yeah. I go into work, I do my job, yes sir. Damn right! They say, let me get a single, and you say, how long do you want it to be, daddy? Yeah, we got 20 minutes. We got three minutes and 33 seconds. What do you need? I got all flavors. Yeah, actually, no, it's funny. There was a big learning curve for single edits for me because first we turned in Teens of Denial, and most of the singles there were five minutes or more, and Matador said, here, we've got these single edits for you. And I said, no, I can do better.

And we started recording completely different versions of the songs. Actually, the first thing we turned in was like an EDM remix of Drunk Drivers. And that was really, I thought that that's what they wanted. It's like, that's what you hear on the radio. You don't hear indie rock on the radio. Okay, so you weren't doing this to be a dick. You were in earnest, like, this is what I think they're going to want to hear. So I've crafted... A Black Eyed Peas style sounding version of my song. I'd say it was like 50-50. Where it's like the first 20 seconds of it, you're like, he's being a dick. And then it's like, oh, this is actually pretty banging. That's a cool trick. If you can pull it off. That's what I thought. Matador didn't think so. So we went in and re-recorded it again. And then Matador shipped out their edit instead. Right, right. And that was our biggest radio song. And so eventually I learned just let them make the edits. I mean, it's the power of trusting your editor. It takes a little while to realize. And, you know, it's what they think and what you think, but it's really up to what, you know, all of your millions of fans think and identify with is what the best choice should be. Yeah, well, it's funny because this time they turned back in radio edits that were like four and a half minutes long. And I'm like, what happened? You all let your hair down. For years, it's been three minutes, 30 seconds. Everybody knows that. Everybody knows that. And the attention span's only gotten shorter, so I don't understand what that means. I think it means they've given up on me. That's possible, but maybe not now. You're in go time. Well, also, if your songs are... ranging between eight and 18 minutes for four and a half is they're putting the spurs to it you know they really well yeah no i mean it ain't for lack of trying is what i'm saying yeah i was prepared for more um but yeah actually matador was was gunning for the 11 minute single to come out first i was surprised about that

That's cool. And there's at least one song on this album that's about three and a half minutes, so they had that opportunity. But I think they liked the songs that they liked, and they happened to be longer ones. And they still have little bits. We just put out an eight-minute single, but... the chorus is still hooky. That's what I was going to say. As long as the songs are, it always kicks into gear. You know what I mean? If you're meandering for 20 minutes, that's a very different thing than if I get... That just means I get [redacted address] I'm looking at it. Just like Bob Dylan on Key West. It's 12 minutes long, but there's 12 choruses every minute on the minute. Will, do you like Bob Dylan? I do. I just was listening to the podcast where you went and listened to him. It was one of the worst and most psychedelic things I've ever seen, but it doesn't change his legend status, of course. So he didn't go on for 20 minutes and then sing the chorus to Blown in the Wind? No, and my friend, Jason, I talked to Ezra, and he was like... I threw a tomato at him and everything, but he still wouldn't relent. Ezra said he saw Bob Dylan three years ago, and he played nothing but hits. He played nothing but hits. I guess he put out this new album. And so he's doing the thing that all artists do. Will, I hope you don't do this, where you play only new shit when your fans are there. I'm going to be there headbanging to drunk drivers. I want to hear the new shit, but I need to hear a career retrospective. Oh, well, too bad. You will hear drunk drivers. Right now, Drunk Drivers is the only old song we've got in the set. Bro, that's the only old song in the set? How long is the set? We just like the new album too much because it all came from jamming stuff out together. And so it's got that band core to it. And, you know, we just don't want to go back. I need to hear. I think that's cool. No, no, no, no, no. I need to hear destroyed by hippie powers. Well, you're going to hear that when they do the 20th anniversary tour when you're 66, bro. That's that's the whole point. Exactly. Yeah.

Bro, I am not going to Brooklyn Seal to see your ass when I'm 65, so you better figure it out now. I feel like every band does that. You record your new album that you're really excited about, that everyone has all the songs. You're all in the pocket together. You're finishing each other's musical sentences. You want to play that. You want to entertain yourself. And everyone, you know, you throw a couple oldies on the second encore, and everyone's happy. And then, in 20 years, when you're doing the, you know, the geriatric fourth wave indie tour. The car seat headrest cruise leaving from Fort Lauderdale. Powered by a monster. Well, no, we'll just, yeah, we'll just be on the Weezer cruise, though. Honestly, yeah. Well, we were just talking about that. I don't know if you heard about what's going on in Weezer land, but it's not, it's not. It's not sweet right now. Yeah, the Reddit was blowing up today this morning, wasn't it, Will? Okay, no, I tuned in, but yeah, I have no idea what you were talking about. The Weezer's bass player, his wife pulled a gun, or pointed a gun at the police here in Los Angeles, in my own backyard, and the police fired a non-lethal shot and arrested her for attempted murder. Oh, wow. Just filling you in. No need to comment. The Weezer Corporation has deep pockets, so I think they'll be able to fight this. I do believe she's not going to do any time. I don't think she's going to do any time. Jason, is Weezer... Why do I think of them as an L.A. band? They're not, actually, right? I don't know. I think they're originally not from L.A., but I think as soon as they blew up... They definitely relocated and became a pretty LA-centric band. Embraced so much by K-Rock that they just had to relent. Beverly Hills. That's true. Maybe that's why. You know, remember that one? Yeah, I've heard that one. Will, you were mentioning EDM. What kind of dance music do you like to listen to in earnest? Not as a bit. All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince.

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There's a flavor for every day of the year with Radiohead. I agree. You can't really go wrong. So your AP math teacher freaked out in a bad way, not in a good way. AP lit teacher. It's hard to say. I didn't have a whole lot of respect for him, so I kind of tuned out what he was saying most of the time. You're like, look, I'm going to answer your question, but I don't respect you, so I don't care how you take the answer. He's definitely going to be sending you a Facebook message tomorrow after he hears this episode, bro. There's nothing worse than a high school literature teacher asking you about Radiohead. We get it, dude. No, I'm jealous. When I was in high school taking English or whatever. My teacher obviously had no idea who Radiohead was or the Pixies or Neutral Milk Hotel. That's how it should be. That's how it should be. I don't want some guy trying to give me on the road paperback and Neutral Milk Hotel. You can't do both. Forget on the road. They should be reading Shakespeare. He was not antiquated enough for me. How much Shakespeare have you taken down, Will? I took a good deal of it in college. That was kind of more my sweet spot. I majored in English, and I just, you know, four years I was in a little bubble. The college I went to was William & Mary, which was founded in, I think, late 1600s and still had that flavor to it. What intramural sports did you play, or was it just kind of literature? Just literature. There's a radio station. What kind of cosplay did you play, though, Will? None, but I did live between, or the colonial district was between where I lived senior year and campus. So I'd be biking into town and be passing by horse-drawn carriages and colonial dress-ups.

horse poop and uh then i'd show up show up for school have you ever referred to somebody that you were romantically interested in as milady in earnest no i haven't pulled that one out yet well jason now you just gave him an idea that's the problem jason planted the seed so you finished high school and college i did yeah Oh, God bless. I don't meet many of your types that are in the industry that you're in. Yeah, in waking life I have. Dream world, I'm still not so sure. Still have high school classes. Did you have a plan of what you wanted to do with this degree from William & Mary? Well, I guess... complete my parents plan of me being in college got it got it are your parents like academic types or are they just parents they're they're just parents um but you know they you know they they squirreled away so that we could get through college me and my two sisters and um i would you know i just had a general terror about the world post post-school world and had no idea what i wanted to do so when i went into college i just started taking courses that i liked Ended up in English classes, minored in religious studies, too. And then as far as... building an actual career um i got a lot out of it you know as a writer i was able to absorb a lot of good material going out of it yeah it's not that far off in some ways for sure i i and you literally be writing on the regular you really you really be writing that's one thing about you and your parents knew like this kid ain't gonna get the football scholarship so we're gonna have to start saving some some coin right yeah they they weren't no sports at all for you um I enjoyed basketball. That's cool. I was not sporty enough. I was the injured kid. The injured kid? The injured kid. I'm often injured. The football hits your belly and you're sitting in the bleachers for the rest of the game. Sure, you're doubled over. You go cross-eyed, you're riding the pine. Okay, well, I guess on that subject, I also read in your bio...

You have suffered from some histamine imbalances and you had to make some dietary changes. I feel like I might have a histamine balance and I'd like to learn a little bit more about that and what your diet is. All we do on this podcast is talk about diets. That's not a joke. Okay. That's really not a joke. No, this is, I mean, it's a fun subject for me because every day I eat pretty much the exact same thing. Breakfast, I have oatmeal, black beans, carrots. broccoli, potatoes, and pumpkin seeds. Sorry to interrupt. Have you seen on social media where somebody will post a picture of their food and the comment in a derogatory way will say, this is what you give a dog on their birthday? And so far, course number one feels like on your dog's birthday. It's a fucked up meal, but a very whole meal with complex whole grains and fibers. A lot of great nutrients. Please continue, Will. All right. Lunch, I do rice, black beans, carrots, broccoli, and potatoes and pumpkin seeds. And dinner, I have the same thing. And I have an apple or two on top of that. Okay. So this is moved from what you give a dog on their birthday to what you give a horse every day. Yeah. And turns out that's healthy. Okay. So you feel great and you're lean. I mean, you're running lean. I tell you what, I mean, the six pack is probably bulging. Oh yeah. I can't even show it. Don't show me. I'll get jealous. So if you lift your shirt up, it'll probably crash my zoom application. Right. How are you resisting the hummus platter backstage? Like how do you, how do you go through life with all these temptations? You never have a latte? No. Yeah. I mean, that's a good point, but, um, it's like, It was good because, you know, I went through a phase and it's a post-COVID thing. I started getting sick after getting COVID and I got so sick that I decided I didn't want to be sick anymore. So and actually call back to Billis. He had the same thing happen to him a couple of years earlier and he figured out it was a histamine problem.

The list of histamine high foods is completely random. It has some correlation to fermentation. So stuff like wine, alcohol, cheeses, yogurts, all of those are going to set you off. And then there's stuff like nuts, certain types of meat. And so he started weeding that stuff out of his diet. A lot of nightshades, eggplants, berries, tomatoes. Yeah, tomatoes too. Processed meats? No shellfish, huh? No, no. Will, I know you want to tear up the raw bar. That's got to be killing you because you seem like a seafood tower guy. Yeah, no, no. I mean, I used to be frozen pizza out of the... freezer um yeah that's what surprised me at all right being honest with you right it fits with the background i think yeah okay so how often do you ever deviate from this diet plan do you ever have a cheat day um no because i mean a cheat day for me would be a suffer day You know, like it's a very like. All right. Hold on. Let's let's let's get it. All right. So I take you. I take you to Balthazar. We're having a feast. We're celebrating. You know, you're having you're having whatever you want. What happens to your body and how soon after ingesting? Probably pretty quickly. Usually I'll immediately start getting like a buzzing sensation in my mouth. And this was like, you know, the first thing I'm going on is just like. what is going on? I feel okay. I wake up, have breakfast. And then it's like, you're supposed to get more energy from food. And instead, I want to crawl back into bed. I'm suffering. It's like a reverse eating. The food goes in, energy goes out of your body. And it's replaced with this buzzing, with this... sensation of sickness, sensation of anxiety, and everything just kind of goes wrong. And, you know, when I was first dealing with it and just had no idea, so kept putting stuff in my body that it couldn't handle, eventually it just turned into basically the extremes of sickness, nausea, vomiting.

Vertigo, just a lot of time I had to spend in bed because my body wasn't working right. And so now, you know, with the regulation of this normal diet, if I have a cheat day or a cheat meal, I'm just going to not feel good for a day. I'm going to spend more time in the bathroom. I'm going to be able to think less straight. I'm going to be able to do less physically. And life will just become harder for me. Right. So it's it is easier to stay on the street. I see what you're saying. Damn. It's weird because like there's a lot of there's a lot of foods where, you know, if I wake up and I eat, you know, pancakes or a breakfast burrito or somehow, you know, then I'm going to be laid down and I'm going to want to go back to bed and crawl, you know, whatever. But you would feel this way if you have a pineapple and spinach and strawberry smoothie with some yogurt. Those are all foods on the histamine intolerant list. So something that feels like it's going to give you some light fruit, vegetable energy boost, that'll also fuck you up is what you're saying. Yeah, probably. I haven't tried strawberries in a while. And I'm just conservative about it because... I don't want to waste my life eating the forbidden fruit. And, you know, I think that this kind of pleases my ancestors to just be on this super simple diet. I can come back to the same thing day after day. I'm kind of jealous because this does streamline life. It does. I guess, what is your drug and alcohol intake? I take a Zyrtec every day and that's it. All right, so you're hitting the Zyrtec. I'm just saying, I'm trying to look because I'm sober. Do you do Zyrtec recreationally though? real quick i wouldn't do it if well i guess i have more fun with it i just don't what is your where is the release you know when does will get to unwind is what i'm saying because you can't have a chocolate sundae you can't have a couple lines of coke you can't have a corona what what is will doing to unwind i think maybe when he a new puzzle comes in the mail and you get to crack that thing open something like that no no and this was a a big thing because um

Even more than alcohol or drugs, food was a very big comfort source for me. If I'm having anxiety, if I'm struggling, grab a snack, grab something sweet. But it never made me feel good. It's just sort of a turning away from problems and trying to engage in some sensory pleasures. And so I kind of turned more towards meditation while this was happening. more towards contemplative practices. And, you know, it was a mentality of switching away from that mindset of, okay, when I'm stressed, I need to go do something. I need to go distract myself. I need to comfort myself. And more towards, okay, I like suffering now. This is phase two of my life. I'm pro-suffering. I'm pro-suffering. I want to be 100% clear with you guys. So most people make peace with the suffering. You say... Give me more. Daddy liked the suffering a little bit. Give me more. Okay, a few more questions. Okay, so that means at your house, there's always a pot of beans and rice cooking. There's always sweet potatoes getting chopped up and all that stuff. Do you have a meal prepped out into little containers that you just put the slop bowl in the microwave and then you start eating it? Or is there a sauce? at all no sauce are you eating raw no sauce uh no no seasoning what about salt i i don't i should use more salt i don't have any salt actually i don't have any food in my house at all right now um My friend Billis, he had sort of a crash last week. He's had a long recovery process, and he's back in the crapper right now, so I've been over at his place. And we eat the exact same thing. So now we're just sitting on the couch peeling potatoes together, peeling carrots together. The life of a rock star. All my containers are in his fridge.

And I just keep everything in a separate container. And every meal I grab my little food scale and I measure out the exact amounts. Dude, I got to say, how old are you? Do you warm up the food at least? I do. We do have a microwave. How old are you? Okay. 32, I think. Man, you're vibrating on a plane that I will never reach, and I am deeply impressed by it. I am deeply, deeply impressed. Because also the music is good. If the music sucked, I'd be like, this guy doesn't have it figured out. But when the music's good and you're living like a fucking monk, Jason and I are just chasing the devil all day long. We're wasting time. I'm very interested. I want to go, realistically speaking, three days on the Toledo diet plan and just to see, you know, as a reset, because people talk about doing like a 72 hour water fast and like doing that, you know, resets your body and, you know, negative bacteria and viruses are naturally cleansed out by your immune system. I feel like this almost feels harder than that. Yeah, I mean, next album cycle, come to my apartment. I'll put you on the plan. Okay, this is something we could package and sell. I don't want to get crazy, you know what I mean? But this feels like something we could package and sell. This is really something. I mean, and you were not a fatty before. You were always the same body size, so you did not experience any drastic changes in your body at all? Well, the most drastic were the result of sickness. Yeah, of course. You finally started feeling good again. I did, and I felt better than I ever had because I always had gut pains. I always had dairy problems but would still eat dairy, and I just went from this constant haze of...

shoveling food into my body and saying, that probably wasn't good. Well, try again next time. That probably wasn't good. Well, try again next time. To actually kind of knowing what food was doing inside my body as I put it in and recognizing, oh, it's hit that part of my gut. Now it's hitting that part of my gut. And just having an awareness of what was going on was a real game changer. But, you know, I was my spleen acting up again. Yeah, I was I was a little overweight as a young kid. And then I was that was always kind of my. inside you know i was a thin guy but i had swallowed a larger guy and um and right now i i'm just i'm just a normal okay well i wouldn't go that far i think that might be an overstatement but you're a guy and you know you look great you feel good you're producing at a high level there's no downside to this but what do you i have to ask because a big part of my life and jason's life as well is socializing and going to restaurants and going to dinner What do you do in those situations? Yeah, and that's another big thing is that that is like number one way to socialize. You got beans in your pocket, Will? Actually, I just took a friend out to Uwajimaya the other day, and that's a Japanese grocery store out here that also sells food. And I just plan ahead. I eat beforehand, and then I sit and watch them eat. Okay, so all right, all right. I hang out. Okay. Do you at least enjoy a tea, perhaps? Or is a tea a little too much? Yeah, I mean, people always go with tea, and it's just hot water with some stuff in it. My man, tea sucks. Hell yeah. You're part of the revolution. I knew you got it. I knew you got it. Big Willie gets it. Do you drink coffee, or do you not have coffee? No, caffeine's another histamine issue. Okay, okay. And how many hours of sleep are we getting a night?

About eight. Doing pretty good. Dude, you're, okay, but when tour, are you able to sleep on the bus? Like, do you get the rhythm down? Actually, we did one bus tour, and I was not, and none of us were happy. And since then, we've never toured with a bus again. That's been kind of our one. Oh, private jets only, or what do we? Yeah, private jets only. No, we just route it so that we can drive. And actually, this time we're routing it so that we do fly to every show. And it's just like one show every two weeks. So it's kind of not even a tour. It's more like a bunch of one-offs. That's cool. And we've really just been careful to plan each year, plan ahead so that we know. how we're going to be traveling. And that goes back to when I was handling the stuff myself and managing stuff myself. And actually, we've never really worked with a dedicated tour manager. We've always just done stuff in-house. So if we're booking hotels, I will be the one on Google Maps looking to see what the parking lot looks like. Can you get a trailer around here? See, look, when your gut is in order, you have time for stuff like this. Exactly. And also the autism helps as well. And on that note, I was looking on the CSH Reddit, you know, just doing my due diligence. And there is a popular image on there that says it's basically just the artwork of the scholars, your new album. And above it, it says autism test. Is this image awesome? So do you think you got a touch of the tis? As a label, I think it's useful for a lot of people. For myself, I've always just been trying to be a guy. Sure. I think there's definitely an overlap of that precision, of that neurodivergence. And I'm happy that there are other people who ride on that wavelength.

Well put, Will. Well put. I'm having a tough time. I'm having a tough time. This is making me feel bad about myself in every way. Say more. Say more. Every once in a while we have a guest on this podcast that humbles us because of their approach to life, and usually they're at least a decade younger than us. I just want to know what the difference is. What's the source? Where did I fuck up? Where did I go left? when will went right i think i think will will is not afraid to look inwards that's true one thing chris uh you're like on a bed right now you're kind of slouched back uh get rid of that pillow and just sit right right up totally straight against the backboard all right okay will while he's doing that can you explain you know physically what you're hoping to achieve with this body position i'm in a hotel room This is my best option. This is very uncomfortable. Okay, so that's good. That's a good start. You don't want to be kind of soaking up that comfort of the pillow, because actually that's going to make your body more and more uncomfortable. Yes. Because we're kind of made out of these bones and hard parts, and we get this sort of false impression when we're surrounded by soft things, kind of leaning back. pretending that we're a soft pillow too, but we're not. We need that sort of structure. We need that discipline within our body and muscles. Hell yeah, bro. I'm not a soft pillow. Hell yeah, you're right. So stop sleeping on beds and pillows. Spend about the next hour. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You just went from don't lean back on a cushy comforter, and then you went straight and tried to sneak in, stop sleeping on beds. Yeah, yeah. Bro, you sleep on the floor? Where do you sleep? Crash chorus, so I still sleep in a bed. Okay, okay. If you really want to get your life together, you know, sleep on the floor or sleep sitting up.

But a good start is just sit with your back against the bed board for about an hour. And that'll kind of get your chi going more properly. Your chi is sort of centered beneath your belly button. And that'll allow you to breathe better. That'll allow you to get your own body in circulation. And, you know, the more suffering, the better. Run towards the pain, not away from it. See, I think you're looking better. All this stuff makes a lot of sense when you're solo dolo, but what happens when a friend is over? You know what I'm saying? Well, then they're sitting against the bed board, too. Okay, so I'm going to do this today. My wife is going to be sleeping on the king-size bed with the fret sheets. and I'm going to be on the floor with the dogs, the dogs are going to have more cushion than me. Okay, so if I have a hardwood floor in my bedroom, am I allowed to lay a blanket down? Obviously no mattress pads or anything like that, but maybe a large towel? Yeah, I think a large towel is fair. You'll give me that? You really don't think a girlfriend, you don't think a wife is going to appreciate a man who sleeps on the floor? No, I don't. I definitely don't. I think she'll be like, that's cute for you and your little journey that you're doing or whatever, but I'm going to sleep on. But it's like the mouth tape or the nose strips or all that stuff. Women don't like that. They're like, just be normal. They don't like it. And then 3 a.m., the fire starts or the dog escapes or the burglar comes in. Boom, you're up like a light. Then they respect it. Damn, Will. Okay. All right. So because I can save your life. This is amazing. After hearing you speak for the last hour, I feel like you would be an amazing doctor. I just feel like you have a really good bedside manner and ability to explain complex, difficult things to people in a very kind and intelligent way.

And also, if the music thing doesn't work out, executive life coach of some sort. I'm hiring you right now. I know you have free time. Whatever you're selling, we're buying well. Good. I'm glad to hear it. And also, you're a bag chaser because I say all this stuff and you're like, good. Yeah, that's right. Of course. Here's how to find success. Yeah, what do you do with all your money? You just, you know, you live humbly. You're not spending it on interior decor. No offense. You don't spend it on interior design. You don't spend it on food. You're going to the bulk barn. So what are we spending this cash on, brother? That's been a source of concern for me. I've been trying to give most of it away. to organizations you support? Maybe you are a little too Buddhist now, Will. Let's back the truck up just a little bit. You lost me on this one, but the rest of the health stuff, I'm with you. So you're saying where are you giving the money away? See, I actually had to start sort of like a regular routine practice because it was something where it just built up in the bank and then I'd be like, yeah, I should give some of this away. and then it just built up in the banks more wouldn't be giving it away so now like um you know several times a week i'll just go on go fund me and um that's kind of a great way to get in touch with what people are actually going through on the ground level um and i just uh i have a weekly quota um because i don't i don't like having money sitting in the bank so i'll just um Well, I'll search I'll search around America. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. All right. So once the music musical equipment is sorted out, you're kind of like, I know my baseline expenses based because I eat the same thing. I stay I do. I do the same thing. So you're saying the rest of that within reason can be given away because you don't really have a use for it. Yeah, exactly. And that was sort of this is part of my practice where, you know, I can't I came up. with a family and a culture that was very much, you know, if you've got that comfortable amount in the bank, then everything is fine. And where I'm at right now is I want to push against that because I know I'm friends with people who have $20 in their bank account and they're alive. You know, they've been alive for years and I,

I am missing out on a portion of life feeling like I can't live unless I have X thousand amount of dollars in my bank account. And, you know, my estimates are still very conservative. I still keep a chunk in the bank. But I am pushing to push that money back out the door and not look twice at it. Are you comfortable with sharing your weekly quota? About $1,500. will will will will for president yeah i'm saying you're bro i given away okay i mean that is no that's honestly this is you i'm i don't know what to say and i i talk for a living you know i literally i'm still i'm still you left a couple white boys speechless today will bravo when you go on rogan the world's gonna finally get to hear you it's gonna be big i i'm afraid of that Yeah, you should be. No, you should be. But I mean, you're approaching assassination levels. You know what I mean? This is OK. I protect Will Toledo at all costs. Protect Will Toledo. And look, Will, the album is great. I've been a fan for a long time. So I'm you know that I I did not expect this today. I will say that. And I'm very glad that I was surprised. Yeah. I did have a couple more quick questions before we leave. One more reference to the Car Seat Headrest Reddit page. There is another very popular thread titled, Who is your favorite Car Seat Headrest Critter? And I think you might be the only band who has a cast of critters. Could you say more about these critters? I honestly can't say that much because I think what they're talking about is sort of the album art that we have. We do have a rich cast of various critters that show up on our album art, and especially the artist Kate Wirtz, who has done a lot of art for us throughout the years.

we kind of both have the same vibe of like oh this looks kind of cool um you know push it in that direction and then after a certain point it becomes the album art or the album cover yeah and so neither of us are that kind of worried about like building up a lot of story about why anything is or who anybody is basically you're like this shit looks cool let's rock exactly exactly i mean i'm just whenever i hear somebody using the word critter I'm drawn to it. It's just such a fun word that you don't hear so often. Jason, I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you, and I hate animals, but critter is fun. Last question. You may have been asked this before in the past, so excuse me if it's dumb. When you're envisioning the actual headrest in the car seat, what's the make, model, and year of this car? I guess it'd probably be... So one would be the 2000 Toyota Sienna. which is my mom's minivan, which I took over here and is still carting around somewhere. Beautiful car. And then there was also a Subaru, I don't remember, maybe it was an Outback, that got totaled eventually. But those are the cars I was driving around in high school. And I was recording in there, too. I'd take a little tape recorder in or my laptop in and record. And so that's where the name came from. It was part of my recording space. The car seat headrest is what you would attach your mic into and that would be the booth. No, I was just kind of staring at it as I was shouting into my computer. Copy that. Copy that. Oh, man. Okay. Well, well, thank you so much for taking the time to chat with us. It was an illuminating convo. And I feel like we're all lucky to have heard you speak for the last hour. Well done. And the album comes out when? I think May 2nd. May 2nd. May 2nd. All right. A few weeks away on Matador. Mm-hmm. Will. Appreciate it. All right, man. We really appreciate it. Honestly, it was great. We'll talk to you soon. Yeah. Very good talking to you, too.

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