876. - Madi Diaz

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? I guess this is coming out on Friday post Thanksgiving. Um, I, I know that Jason, you've been in the kitchen all morning, I'm sure, or maybe you're in the garage. Is that where your turducken is getting prepared or you, you got a different menu this year? Still a little early, a little early for the turducken prep as it is, uh, eight, eight 45 AM, uh, day before I'm not, I'm not going to do any deep fried turkeys. I'm not going to do any turducks. I'm doing the, uh, Alison Roman Turkey leg confit. She does it with like, uh, chicken fat or duck fat but i'm going ghee wow you're okay wow i didn't know we could make thanksgiving more obnoxious but you and alice and roman have found a way thank god do you think ghee is obnoxious chris no no i'm just joking i think i'll fucking kill you bitch but i have one other what i am as soon as i finish this pod what i am going to make before i do pilates and then hit cafe 2001 for a pecan pie It's Chex Mix time, Chris. Oh, okay. Now we're talking real shit. You little fat ass perked up now, didn't you? If you need my FedEx number, just let me know. Before it's all gone, I don't want the dogs getting more than me. No, no, no. Don't worry. I'm not going to give the dogs any Chex Mix. It has way too much umami for their minds to comprehend. Speaking of dogs eating adult food, Bean, my small dog, has been...

Has been taking a liking to coffee. Like the smell or the actual? Like I'll be sitting on the couch with, you know, a little coffee table with my laptop and a mug full of coffee. Maybe a nice click and surf mug brought to you by publicannouncement.com. Okay. What a newsletter. None of that sub stack horseshit, right? But I'll get up, you know, go do something. Go, you know, change my. Laundry over to the dryer, whatever. I look back. Beans got her snout in the coffee mug. Going to town. So you're saying beans lapping up the bean. Bean is a cannibal, is what you're saying to me. Beans are practicing. Sometimes it be your own Arabian blend. Do you think something has happened in Bean's old brain? Because I feel like you either like coffee or you don't. It's a weird thing to develop later in life. You know, I don't know. I think what it is is the milk is the entry point. Milk is the gateway drug to the coffee. I think of milk as more of a cat thing, though. But I guess dogs like it too. Yeah, I mean, these dogs nowadays lead anything. But also I have an odd suspicion that Bean is addicted, well, not only addicted to caffeine as well as dairy, but I think she was raised by cats in her junkyard days. Oh, okay, okay. And I know our guest today is really vocal about dog and pet adoption and animal rights, so we'll save a little bit of it for her. I know you wanted to get into that kind of stuff. But, yeah, I think she's like a dumpster dog. and was found behind a gas station somewhere deep in the valley. We don't talk about it. So you think Bean could have been raised by wolves, and in this case, cats, and that milk was part of their diet because she was just trying to fit in with her new family, her chosen family, much like our Thanksgiving. Wow, that's so true. I love the chosen families. But yeah, I mean, I've heard it happens. I've seen accounts where...

You know, dogs will meow and cats will be raised by dogs and the cats will bark. You don't. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. If your cat meows, bro. No, if your dog meows. I'm sorry. If your dog meows, you got to take him out back and have a talk. You think so? You're saying a male dog meowing? Not in my house. That's crazy. That's too swagless is what you're saying. I mean, you can date whoever you want. But I'm not going to let you meow as a dog. I'm cool with whatever you want to do. But the meowing is a little questionable. So that's like when you have a kid. You're going to be like, Adam and Steve, that's fine with me, but just none of that furry shit is kind of where you draw the line. You have to draw the line somewhere, is what I'm saying, with all animals. You can have a butt plug, but there cannot be a tail attached to it, son. I am so sad. This is where I do have to put my foot down. You've got to put your foot down. You'll thank me later when you get older, boy. It's called good parenting, but I did not. know this but it does make total sense it's it's like it's like the white guy who was adopted you know and now he he he's taken on characteristics of uh his family now he's speaking let the white boy speak a little yeah he's he might have a he might wear a do-rag he might have a little fade this little too but he's he's so ingrained he earned it that he gets a pass they let him cook it's rare it's rare when when somebody's like you know what i'm gonna do it i'm a white guy who's gonna turn black and then have And then actually have it work. I know. And not be Drewski. One in a million. We're talking about real life. We're not talking about comedic skits. Yeah, yeah. We're not talking about one of your fun little TikToks. We're talking about something that transcends even a Chet Hayes. It makes Chet Hayes look like fucking net spend. We're talking about some real shit. Atlanta shit. Honestly, I don't even know where else it happens. In my view. They got one in every hood, bro. Well, no, they have one, but I just mean, I feel like there's some places that are hotbeds for dogs drinking milk and for white guys getting a pass. There's different hotbeds all over the world. Yeah, I mean, even our previous guest, W. David Marks, he's really acclimated into the Japanese society as well, right? Just imagine how he's talking when there's no white people around.

Oh, it's crazy. Oh, my God. I can't even imagine it. Imagine the code switcheroo. He's letting it spray. It's so quiet in New York today. I was walking around earlier, and it's dead out there. Everybody's gone back to the Midwest to show off their parents' kitchen. It's going to be white marble and tall fireplace mantle hosting for the next 48 hours. There's nothing better than heading back home, going to your parents' seven-bedroom house on the golf course, getting a fucking Starbucks with your brother, taking the golf cart. It's so random. We're drinking Starbucks. Taking the golf cart. You live in Bushwick, and you play play, but when it's time to go home, we want to see the real you, and I appreciate it. i appreciate that that's one of the my favorite content buckets actually is the what's the difference between playing and play playing really quick sorry big difference actually i think i think i think play play is is more of a fun approach and a new twist on regular play like i think it's i think it's more type shit okay period yeah play play but you know what i meant you feel the difference i know you felt the difference You feel it in your bloodstream. It's not necessarily possible to convey that. It is tough to put it into. It is tough to put it into a cosmic level. I'm leaving. Well, you would. I'm leaving tomorrow at 730 a.m. for Las Vegas. So I'm getting my I'm getting my God. I'm getting all my ducks. I had to go to Bank of America. Take out a brick. you know what i'm saying get ready how much cheddar are you pulling for vegas i'm not pulling any cheddar i i took out i took out the normal 500 i don't i don't have any what would i do i don't know how to gamble like i literally like a shiv was explaining gambling to me earlier i i don't know how i'm like so what are you saying they're saying roulette is the best chance of winning is what they were explaining to me yes because there's so many things you can bet on and the odds but Again, I don't want to go down this road. I think it's too dangerous for me. So I'll happily stick to the spa, the spas and gyms I'm used to versus the...

I don't want to go to Vegas. Don't go chasing jackpots, Chris. I don't want to go to Vegas for 72 hours and come back smoking a pack of Paul Malls every day on the slots. My face is sunburned from sitting at the Sex and the City slot machine for too many hours. It's not worth it. I'm not willing to risk it all. Suddenly you've become a master sports gambler. You have a lot of parlays running. Imagine if I knew what a parlay was and then I was able to make it work in my favor. Unbelievable. You don't know what a parlay is, Chris? Oh, come on. It's when you make several bets and they all hit, right? Yes, yes, exactly. Okay. I feel like there's probably more nuance and detail to it. All of our gambling addicts, please chime in. No need to. No need to. All of our people who have lost their families, please chime in. I like that you're doing Vegas Thanksgiving. Well, first of all, the stack. the gambling you know it's not for you just just take the 500 cash hopefully in ones and then just give it to alex and just say you know it's your world girl just like casino style yeah she'll come into the room at the aria or wherever y'all are staying at just a bunch of ones all over the bed i can't believe this is my life this is so crazy i hate turkey yeah i'm hoping that because we're going to nobu on thanksgiving and i'm hoping they haven't do you think nobu do you think nobody's tried to develop some sort of turkey sushi For the special occasion. Do you think there's like a cranberry sauce, like teeny? You know, I just, no boo on Thanksgiving. We are open for dinner on Thanksgiving with familiar favorites as well as new specials. I don't know if they're going to say what those specials are. I would like turkey tempura with my usual dipping sauce, please. I know that the Four Seasons, no boo. The Four Seasons Sensei. Yeah. They're doing an herb-roasted turkey breast and leg with traditional stuffing. Of course, the cranberry compote will have a yuzu guava. Thank God. Thank God. Thank God. And the miso braised lamb shank will have a celery root puree with a gremolata. Okay, so we're finding ways to make it our own. Yeah, there's a good... It's like we're going to do maple-roasted yams and whatever, but it's going to have...

flavors of the orient woven in nicely i believe of course yeah i'm gonna yeah we're doing a the rare nobu carbone b2b um that's you know i feel like that's what you have to do when you're going here so i'm i'm looking forward to it wait is it that's not the same day those are that's one day no no no no no no yeah no i'm not that crazy i'm not a food influencer i'm not that i'm not i'm not the guy in japan eating 16 fucking pancakes in one day you're not gonna do a little bang bang I'm not going to do a little bang-bang. But, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. And the weather's not going to be – I think the weather's not that warm, which is, you know, that's upsetting. But we'll work past that. I mean, it gets colder in Vegas than it does in L.A. during these special little months. I think we're going to go down to Laguna, actually. Nice. I mean, I feel like it's the best time to go there because there's no weddings. No weddings. It's too cold to go in the water, but it's – Really good weather for looking at the beach. Sure. That's two different temps. That really is two different temps. I'm talking to my brother right now. He said he's eating biscuits and gravy right now. Where is he? Is he in Michigan or is he in L.A.? No, he was at Bub and Grandma's. He had a meeting and get pushed. I got to go there. I've never been there. Dude, it's so good. I know it's good. It's just like a little bit too far out of the way. But I want to go. When Paul comes to town and we hit Dunsmore for dinner, we'll do Bubs for lunch. They're right next door. Just kind of knock it all out. Sounds good to you? Oh, that's perfect. I can't wait to hang out on the block. We have a guest today. Maddie Diaz is a singer-songwriter. Actually, her... her album damn her album that she released last year was nominated for a grammy and she's already got a new one this is churning it out she was a churner came out in october but she's a she's a nashville resident which is always uh leads me to a lot of questions um because living there is a choice even if you are a professional musician i feel like it's a it's a it's a real lifestyle choice but she did some time in la too and then left so i feel like maybe she has some shit to talk about the east side that we could get into

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I do. I mean reverb. Sorry for the breed. No, that's fine. I have to say, I know you're in the industry, and I am only a mere outsider, but I've never heard reverb shortened before in my entire life. You never heard of the verb, bro? I mean, I've heard of the verb as in a kind of word, of course. Do you call echo co? Yeah, like where does it stop? Oh, my God. Honestly, if someone... If someone said verb to me, I would think reverb. I wouldn't think of the descriptor of the class. I wouldn't think in Mad Libs is what I'm saying. You've got to touch grass. You've got to put that guitar down and get outside. There's English majors. I know people in there are a little slow, but you can find somebody. They will not do it. And I will use my AI technology plugins to remove all the verb from your voice, rendering you nice and clean and monotone. Don't worry. Thank you so much. And with no descriptors. With no descriptors and with no... Thank you. There'll be a vast lack of artifacts and dynamic range in your file. Don't worry. All right. All right. You guys got to stop because I don't know what you're talking about. This is getting sexual in my mind and I don't even know what's going on. I mean, verb is a sexy thing in my opinion. But yes, thank you. But I guess is that the most I feel like reverb is the most. known outside of the musician sphere as like top five effects dead or alive reverb gotta be number one it's the only effect it's the only effect a regular person would know like i mean what what else is there i don't even think i can make a big muff joke to somebody that just works at target do people know what delay is you know what i mean like i mean that's what you said i think delay is different because it's a word that has a meaning like we know what it means so you can put it together with context clues you know what i'm saying whereas reverb is a little bit of its own animal out there on the island that's true you're right you're right okay okay yeah delay you're like that's what i know versus like what is a limiter or a you know a compressor or right chorus or saturation etc oh my god you're just like just throwing them out there look i love it i mean as a as a content creator i have to know about all of these things yeah when you're on the mic you know you need the vocab

I mean, apparently, I've never listened to our podcast, but it sounds good. from what I hear. So I'm happy that Jason knows these words I don't know. I use Ableton Live. We just got an update 12.3. It has stem separation. How do you feel about that, Maddie? Are you familiar with this technology? I love separation. And I will say, Chris... Just like, are you talking about like divorce? I'm talking about audio tracks. I love the separate entities. Chris, your voice is like very... close and like very kind of you know like it's like right in my ear hole and jason i will say like i know i can i can feel the room that you're in you know so i like i like that you guys are doing like a totally different thing you know you guys are like one brand together but you're still separate entities yeah i'm in a room that has a rug a couch i have wood right here so there's you know it's a more it's a more acoustic friendly space chris likes to live a little more brutal minimalist We have concrete floors here, so it's not doing any favors, I would guess. Did you guys talk texture before you guys got into the podcast business? I try not to talk texture at all, unless it's about a pair of pants or something. I used to get angry at Chris's texture because it was just cement ceiling, cement wall, cement floor. And then one, like, $11,000 couch. And then, you know, that's about it. So I would be like, could you do anything? He's making me sound like we live like Condé West or something. It's not that good. Trust me, it's not that good. We're like Rick Rubin. He lives like Rick Owens or Rick Rubin. But I think that's just kind of... I think that so many... people who live in Chris's neighborhood, you know, Chinatown, Manhattan, Dime Square adjacent. That's like a podcast hub. So I almost know the text, like it has a podcast texture that's more familiar to my ears than a stupid podcast studio at iHeartRadio with like, you know, glass walls and 4K cameras and shit. I like the sound of tenement housing and...

sirens and people yelling and shit. We keep it real. We keep it real, Maddie. We do it different than these other losers. We don't have a mothership. You ever heard of Red Scare? It's kind of like that, but for dudes. But for dudes. Okay. It's just for guys. You know, just some guys stuff. Just a bunch of guys. Like real guys. But I don't think that I don't notice audio. I'm famously not sound geek. I can't tell the difference. I can tell the difference between awful and good, but above the good level, I don't think I can tell the difference. I feel like that's fairly normal. I dated a guy actually for a while whose mom... This is bizarre. I don't even know what this is, but I have an ex whose mom cannot tell the difference. between a raw vocal being accompanied by just a piano and a full band production. She literally cannot hear the difference. It's the craziest thing I've ever heard, and she just doesn't have it. Okay, so you're sending your ex... almost mother-in-law some different versions of songs and she's like these are great and she doesn't notice no idea okay so it'll be you'll be like here's an elliot smith song it's i mean one of your songs it's like you a guitar and a microphone and then you're like here's a polyphonic spree with a 12-piece orchestra a harpist and they're like I can't tell the difference between these two songs. It's absolutely fascinating. That's so cool. Bob Dylan on one end, Pink Floyd on the other. Same vibe. Same exact song. Does she play music? Does she have any interest in music? Or is it strictly her ears just work that way? I think her ears just work that way. I mean, she should probably have training. Or her ears don't work that way. I'm just saying she's not a pianist herself is what I'm trying to say. No, and that's probably, yeah, I think that's probably for the best. Yeah, but people like to pretend. People like to pretend. I know so many managers. I'm like, Bray, you're a fucking, you're an emailer. Get off the board. That was always my, when I managed a band, when I was a manager band, there was like, oh, come listen to the mixes. I'm like, no, dude, send this shit to me when you're done so I can go make us some money.

Like, I don't, like, this ain't going to do us any. I got no input on the 1400 hertz DB ducking it three. They're like, you know who's mixing this? I'm like, I don't give a fuck if Lord Algy is mixing this, bro. Let's get this shit out. Let's go. Chris knows. Chris is like, if you show me two stickers, I'll tell you which one to print. That's as far as I go. That's exactly. That's my skill level. That's my skill level. I think a lot of people I hear faking it. Like, they know some shit they don't know. Very Rick Rubin-esque of you. I mean, Rick, I thought Rick gave away the sauce. That's he fucked up. He shouldn't have done so many podcast interviews because before he was just a mythic character who nobody understood. And now he's saying anybody could do it. And unfortunately, that's going to give people the belief that they can't do it. And if anyone can do it, why am I paying this long hair fucking three million dollars? I mean, once again, you know, you're just like you're bringing it back to the rawness. Wait, hold on one second. Maddie's frozen, by the way. Oh, yeah. Your camera's frozen. How is that real? Why is my internet connection so unstable? Well, it's because you live in the sticks, so I don't know how many bartenders it takes to kind of churn the wheel to keep the Wi-Fi going in East Nashville. Oh, man, you have no idea. I mean, we've got the NATOs down here, too, the tornadoes, and we've got weather moving up. Is that your WNBA team? What is that? The NATOs, you said? WNBA. NBA team. Because it couldn't be. It couldn't just be an NBA name. That's right. Well, if it was NBA, then it wouldn't be as funny, you know. But we could also be talking about the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Oh, my God. Have you suffered the hands of one of the famous Tennessee? Because there was the one a couple years ago that was really bad. There was a really bad one. I kind of... was about four blocks away from that one i had a bunch of friends that like you know kind of lost everything like walked out of their houses with their wallets kind of thing um but i lucked out i've lucked out both times we've had tornadoes touchdown in nashville in the last five years i've been about four blocks away and i even moved in that time like i was living in five points at the time i know i was like and then i'm gonna go out to madison it's gonna be safe and amazing and then a tornado hopped through my neighborhood literally hopped um

You ever seen a tornado hop? Didn't think so. Didn't think so. It's different. They do that down here. The bunny Nados is what we call those. So maybe you either have a sixth sense for knowing where to live and to stay out of the tornado's path, or you have some sort of black magic going on where when the Nado comes, you start making a witch's brew and you... You shun it away with your mystical powers. I'm living on the edge. So you just sneezed right now. You just sneezed right now. That's the devil trying to get out of you. That's a sign. Well, I did also, like right before we hopped on, I was chopping onions. Like half a dozen onions just so I'm like. What the fuck are you doing? Half a dozen. What are you doing? You're making a perpetual stew for the neighborhood? Yeah, what are you doing? I just got home and, you know, Thanksgiving is tomorrow. crazy in between of like trying to like fold on my laundry and then like prepare my life for and i guess onions was what i went for first thing in the morning so you just got home xo tour xo tour life like you were on the road yeah i just got home we got home around like midnight on sunday and straight into thanksgiving yeah i played i also played the rhyming on monday opening for my friend stephen wilson jr who's like one of the realists out there i think but he just finished his tour as well so we kind of tandem have hit the brakes and it was nice okay so you're playing you're playing monday so you can't eat a whole turkey oh no you kind of got to keep i already played on monday oh you played on monday i did it i did it now i'm like full turkey crash i can just like face plant in the turkey actually you've played the rhyming before that wasn't your first time it wasn't my first time but it's really honestly like so special there i don't think it's possible to make that room sound bad i don't know how they did that well it feels like you're in a church You know, the few seating. Aren't you, Chris? Well, it really threw me off because I'd never been there before. And then I was like, well, this is, I don't really, I don't like to stand, but this is a little uncomfortable. You know, it's not great for the, it's not great for the listener, let's say. It's really, you should bring a pillow, actually. It's nice that it's, it's nice. Yeah, I need a butt pillow. It's nice that it's, it feels like it's geared towards the artist more than the listener. And I think that's why it's so good. Are you guys, are you guys in Nashville?

No, I live in New York. No, I've just been a lot because I grew up in Atlanta. And I went to the Ryman. I went to see a show because I was like, oh, this place is special. I should go check it out. I just looked up Stephen Wilson Jr. Sorry for interrupting. I just looked up Stephen Wilson Jr. I didn't know who he was. His Instagram bio is Death Cab for Country. And he also performed at the CMA Awards like a week ago with all the biggest names in country. Like Big X Da Plug. Yeah, I played a show in LA that night, the night of the CMAs, and I got home. That's so sad. I got back to my hotel room. Have you ever been traveling so much and you're in so many hotels? I will wake up in the middle of the night sometimes and walk into a wall thinking the bathroom is in a different place. You're just like, whatever. Anyway, I got back from the show at 1 a.m. or midnight or something, and I turned on ABC, and there was... steven singing on the cma is like in a spotlight and it was just such a i mean he's been on the rise for the last like four or five years he was he was like he's one of those friends that's been in bands for a really long time always been like in the writing scene and he's just really like he's found it and it's been the last the last time the last time i saw him play in nashville before last night or before monday night I was in a room with, I don't know, a few hundred people. It was one of those moments where I was like, yeah, my friend's about to be famous. This is the last time we're going to see him in a room like this. It's over. Okay, so you're flipping on the TV. Oh, there's my bud. He's on Kimmel. He's on CMAs. And you're walking into the wall at the hotel. What a stark difference. Maddie, we believe in you. It's going to happen for you. Let's keep plugging away. That's what this podcast is for. But more importantly than your life and career, what are these onions for? I'm a big food guy.

Are you? I love pickled onions. And also this episode comes out on Thanksgiving Day tomorrow. No, it comes out Friday, post-Thanksgiving. Friday, Friday. So it'll be leftover season when this episode drops. So I'd like to be a little detailed with your food preparation. Well, thank you. I would love that. I am a big pickled onion fan. And so usually one of the first things I do when I get home is when I hit the grocery store is I go buy a bunch of red onions and I chop them up. Just to torture myself. Are you going to the turnip? Are you going to the turnip truck or are you hitting Kroger? Man, I'm hitting Aldi, man. That shit is expensive. Are you kidding me? Turnip truck and Kroger? Please. Aldi. You're doing well enough to not go to Aldi. Don't go to Aldi. You're better than that. Literally, listen. If I go to Aldi, I can spend $60, $80 and get my groceries for the week, my friend. It doesn't matter. Produce in Nashville is no bueno. So you're just meal prepping onions, though. What about real food, Maddie? You mean the rest? It's going to start price going up. What are the onions going? I just got off of tour. Eating onions. You know, first things first, before I even do laundry, whatever. An onion cleanse. I'm going to pickle a dozen onions. No, I do. I do. I do. Most of my groceries at Aldi and then I go across the street to Garden Fresh in Madison on Gallatin. And Madison does great like meats and like pork shoulders and like steaks. And this is like we're in stew season. Am I right? I mean, we're like in like. You are right. We're like in pot roast, you know, like potato. My wife made a coco van last night. Boy, did it hit the spot. You guys are fucking. Stew is disgusting. But go ahead. Big meat? Oh, let's go. Just, like, put a big meat in a pot. No, stew feels like you're homeless. It doesn't feel like delicious food. There's nothing homeless about coccovain, Chris, a French delicacy. No, of course. No, I understand that. Well, Chris doesn't eat meat, Matty, so he's a little disqualified for this convo. So his version of stew is going to be some, like, homeless guy lentil.

So maybe that's why he thinks I love I love I love lentils, but my version of stew is an acai bowl. I think it's probably. Are you serious? You're from Georgia and you're going acai bowl. Some of us some of us rebelled against our culture and are now just finding our way back. He's a city boy now. He's a city. I've I've I've shaken off those chains of the South. And now I like dumb stuff that's more expensive. I get that. My mom, I mean, my mom was like a bulk buyer though. She was like, she was kind of like one of the original health food store ladies. And, but she would find, she would find like the semis, the trucks that were like on their way to the health food store. This is like, you know what I was like, this is insane. This is when I was like, like mafia style. She robbed them. I've seen heat. She's like, fur coats. giant tubs of peanut butter let's do this where's the brown rice motherfucker cigarettes natural hands in the air bokeh burgers you guys remember bokeh burgers it was like the fur we talk about this podcast has mentioned bokeh burgers more than any other podcast in the history of apple podcasting maybe i was picking up on it because i literally haven't said bokeh burger in i don't know like well over a decade i still think it's i still think it's if i'm going to a barbecue situation i would prefer a bokeh burger over any other Really? I mean, homemade, obviously, at a restaurant is probably the best, but Boca for store-bought is still my top. Really? Even, like, quinoa or, like, what do they call it? There's Beyond, there's Impossible. Beyond! That's what I'm talking about. Beyond's eye. No, Beyond's disgusting. It's terrible for your digestion. It's gross looking. I don't need my fake meat to bleed. It's really crazy when they are trying to make their fake burgers bleed. Hold on. Don't skip over your mom robbing health food store deliveries. Intercepting the shipment. Nutritional yeast, motherfucker. She would find the companies that were getting the semis to go to the health food store.

She would, like, basically make, like, a big – she would make an order, like, a bulk order and find other families. We were homeschooled, too. So we were just, like, we were doing all the things. Oh, you're a real freak. I like this. You earned it. We were – I was raised crunchy for sure. In the woods, like, Amish country. Like, Pennsylvania. Oh, Pennsylvania. Okay, okay, okay. The homeschool to Berklee School of Music pipeline is a real thing, isn't it? I think it might be. I mean, I've only ran to – Tell you what. Adrian Linker definitely feels homeschooled. And in some ways, so does John Mayer. I kind of see this weird. I see a weird through line. Can you hear color, Maddie? I cannot hear color, okay? I kind of wish I could, though. It's pretty sick. All right, so when you go to Berkeley, is it just like NerdFest 101? Or is it like, oh, everybody in here is just a cool shredder? incredibly nervous i mean like there are guitars shapes that you will never see again like just hot wheels like and like they all look like nike air ones versions of guitars so you're saying that you're saying that people are pulling up with instruments that you just stuff you ain't seen before never seen before and shredding and like soundproof one of my one of the weirdest places and one of my favorite places in berkeley are like the like halls of practice rooms that like exist on every floor like at the end of every floor there's like like a weird tunnel with teeny tiny soundproof rooms with like windows you can see like through the doors and like see what people are doing in there and you could just like shut yourself in there and practice for ever and i remember like can you hot box in there though bro there there was all honestly all sorts of crazy shit going on I know you guys are nerds, but I bet you were still trying to have sex with each other. Those band camp kids are dirty. You know that they are. It was 24-hour practice rooms just shredding and ear training and just learning music theory. I don't know.

two years it was like my favorite place on the planet and then I dropped out did you go there and you went there for two years yeah I was there for almost two and a half years and then nobody finishes I've never heard of anybody finishing because if you really got it you're like this is I don't need this. I was also, I was working full-time bartending at this place called The Poor House, which was, like, a couple blocks away. Is it P-O-U-R, I'm assuming? P-O-U-R. P-O-U-R. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, kind of dinery, cheap nacho, like, beer. 22-ounce beers. Oh, that sounds, I would love to serve a 22-ounce beer to a drunk guy in Boston. That sounds. Dude, they open at 7 a.m., or they used to. They open at 7 a.m., too, and, like, people, like, lined up. It was crazy. Dude, breakfast nachos, dude. Dude, breakfast. Patron. It was ridiculous. Can I see your breakfast Patron menu? I have a severe alcoholism. Alright, so you dropped out two and a half years. are you the most successful who who is the most successful person from your class who is the most successful person from your class let's name names she said aldi chris it's got to go up from there literally i don't mean i don't mean like guys in like i don't mean session nerds i mean like people whose names we're gonna know oh well i mean i i really don't know i guess exactly it's you it's you you're number one i was trying to gas you up you're trying to make a heart on yourself you didn't go to school with chance the rapper or something cool like that huh I feel like, well, I feel like there were a couple people that just, like, dropped out way earlier than I did because they were just, like, already on tour and, like, kind of killing it with people or, you know, already kind of having, like, huge song moments. Like, I'm better at harp than my harp teacher. Why am I paying this guy 60 grand a year kind of thing? Yeah, kind of. Or, like, I don't know, just crazy sound engineers or crazy band leader people. yeah there's there's just like right but at the same time like i when i moved down to nashville i moved down with like a lot of people that had either also dropped out or people that were just like starting to make records and like can't like charlie worship for instance is like i don't know if you guys know him but he was he was in my class and like this you know he got a cma last year for like best i don't know country person that's like best player of stuff like i think best instrumentalist i want to say

Dopest country person. Coolest country guy with guitar. And I think he graduated, which is kind of... Show off. What's up with you and the CMAs? Have you been? Do you like that kind of stuff? I think I'm talking about it a lot because it just happened last week and most of my friends are like Brothers Osborne. Casey Musgraves or like a lot of my friends write with like Kelsey Ballerini and she's like, you know, she did a performance. Kelsey's been in the news a lot lately for her, her on again, off again relationship. I've been following this closely. Oh my God. It's like you're in on the Nashville gossip. They rekindled, they rekindled, but it's, they've unfortunately already separated again. So I think, I think. Third time's a charm if they can find each other again. Obviously, in this thing we call life, but you never know. You never know. You never know. It's a roller coaster. Well, what I always say about country music, which is so fascinating to me, is that it's the only popular genre where looks don't matter. And that's why I watch the CMAs. All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable. And they're just easy, but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics, but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. Upgrade that look starting at just $34. You know, if you get a nice linen suit, a little t-shirt underneath it, some chill shoes, you're looking good, but you're staying cool. The inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties. So elevate that summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns, even on a nice holiday now available in Canada.

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standing in a spotlight on say it's it's maybe because country is such a radio dominant for sure genre you know what i mean they say you gotta you gotta face for radio i feel like country radio dominates yeah compared to other genres what about that guy what about the guy that fights with zach brian all the time what's his name oh my god uh is it is it not john no his name is gavin there's like a video of him him like jumping a fence at a festival like like going to fight and i was like this is so cool like if you can't do this in any other genre where you like you have a goatee you could lose 30 and you're jumping a fence to try to fight a guy who's a lot more popular than you it's just so sick it's so cool are you talking about gavin adcock gavin adcock country music's biggest troll yeah oh man he's awesome i mean his music is not awesome but he the whole thing is so fucking funny it's so funny the country singer is doing something rarely done in nashville picking fights with fellow artists you know this is a thing that we were talking about on the podcast earlier this week about how nowadays if you want to find success in your field you kind of have to pick fights and start beefs and rivalries with distracts maybe maybe that maybe some distracts but like that's how you know like the taylor swift and the charlie xcx and the blah blah blah and like you know you can you can maddie who do you have even whether or not their fight is real who do you have beef with let's start now i know like who am i gonna fight this is so exciting i know you have i know you can't talk about your beefs we'll we'll text about it later i'm sure you have some and i love beef look musgraves has her you know she's a sweet girl now dude no fucking way i've never i've never known such a girl's girl like casey i'm like she can't people oh people love paramore or whatever but you know i mean okay you will you mentioned casey musgraves being a girl's girl who's not a girl's girl girl's girl i mean that's the thing are you a girl maddie are you a girl's girl if you were on the bachelorette or something i think she is would they call you that i would say in my 20s i didn't know how to be a girl's girl like i feel like you know the system wasn't like really set up for me to be a girl's girl i was like just kind of like a bro bro i guess it's a little homeschooling yeah it's a little i don't know maybe

I know a girl, Mommy. No. That's it. Not even Mommy. You're saying if Casey saw your man at the bar cozying up next to another chick, she would text you. She'd send me a video. She'd probably FaceTime me. Damn. She'd come home with his scalp. Yeah, Casey, a real one. She would come home with his scalp. I saw your little ass. I saw your little ass. I took care of business for you. That is a girl's girl. That is a girl's girl. I don't know if, yeah, I don't know if, I feel like country music loves to, I feel like that's all rewarded in the genre. You know what I mean? It's a little more dramatic than others, I would say. I mean. It's a small town, you know. Here we go. It's a small town. Okay, Yellowstone. Yeah. Why do you live there, land man? Do you like it? Or is it like... Still waters run deep. There's just something in the water down here. But do you live there because it's just ground zero for business? Or do you actually like it? I love it. It's just been like... There's something about... Maybe it's the humidity that just makes everything a little bit heavier. We've got everything. We've got tornadoes, Aldi, humidity. Your hair does look good, so the humidity is working in your favor. I'm here for the hair. We were talking about CMAs and stuff like that. We have somebody who lives in Nashville, boots on the ground, pun intended. We've talked about this for a long time, about the cowboy aesthetic being adopted by mainstream culture. And we keep talking about, you know, how is it still a thing? How is it still Cowboy Carter? And how is every bachelorette party pink cowboy hats? And how is every how is cowboy aesthetic become? I'm going to go out and have fun. Even if it's at a rave or, you know, something that has nothing to do with country music. I mean, what's going on? I do think being a cowboy is like one of the, I grew up riding horses. I grew up around, you know, nothing. I mean, I grew up in farm country, so. She's letting you, Jason, she's letting you know, you know, she's a real one. She ain't new to this. She's true to this. Yeah. I mean, if you want to come on down and we'll take you riding and we'll see how you do, you know? I'm scared. I'm not questioning your cowboy status. Okay. I'm not, this is not a G check. It's not a C check.

This isn't like a Reddit burn live. I'm just saying, you know. This isn't going to ask me anything live. No, no, no. I have no – this is a thing that I am – now that I have a bona fide cowgirl on our podcast today, I just wanted to see if you had any observations on that matter. I mean, I think – I moved down to Nashville. I know I'm making this about me. It's the only way that I can probably get into why. That's kind of the whole point of this. Get into why it is appealing. I think like, I don't know, things move slower down here. It gives you a little bit more time to to like be in your body and like come into yourself. And like, I don't know, I like I lived in L.A. for six years and I just I couldn't find myself there. There are just like so many different versions of things out there. And in Nashville, they're really kind of like I can only really be myself. So I don't know. I mean, I wonder if Cosplay Cowboy is just fun to try on because people are wondering how real maybe that is for themselves. But it also looks pretty real. Real looks good on most people. You're telling me. That's why I look like a tough guy. Hey, Dom Draper, that's a nice little quote right there. When you were in L.A., did you start dressing funny? Did you start doing weird shit and you had to check yourself? I was just in a lot of bands and I was like writing in a lot of different like for a lot of different projects and trying on a little like a lot of different things like trying on pop, trying on like punk band, trying on like, you know, laptop, electronic, whatever. And trying on like, you know, seance, like leather rock, you know, like there are like there are a lot of different. Thanks. Are you getting your little cocktail twin on? I kind of was. I started a band called Riot Horse with a college, but actually another Berkeley person. We started a band and we're in a band for a while. Yeah, I don't know. Just trying on a lot of different versions. It wasn't until I got back to Nashville and was just by myself that I was able to write from a...

From one place, I guess. No, I mean, that makes sense. Riot horse, that's like the horse that has all the tactical gear? Yeah, it's like the horses. Yeah, exactly. It's like the police horses. They got fucking brass knuckles on their hooves and shit. It's fucking awesome. Do you drive a truck, be honest? I do. I have a Ford Maverick. What's a Ford Maverick? That's the most lesbian truck you can own. That sounds like an Aldi. It is. It's like the Subaru. It's the Subaru of the truck family. It is. It's the Lesboro of the truck family. Chris, it may or may not be electric, or is it hybrid? It is a hybrid. I was not able to get a hybrid version. I bought the last one in Tennessee in 2023. Ooh. You got the last maverick in Tennessee, young lady. You got to work that into a lyric. That feels poetic. It's more of a city truck than a hauler, but hey, that's fine. You're not really moving bales of hay every day, right? How often are you using the bed? You throw in the fucking... Telecaster in the back? Are you putting that baby in the back seat? I mean, I just unloaded just so much stuff from the truck. I mean, just back killing. Cases of onions. Onions and sweatshirts that no one bought and records that are heavy. All right. Okay, so we're going to be burning merch to keep warm through the winter. Another boiled onion, sir? Another boiled onion. My version of a lemonade stand is just like... Oh, are you hungry? I have a boiled hoodie for you if you're feeling peckish. I'm glad you drive a truck, though. That's cool. I think it feels appropriate for you. Do you drive in your New York City-ness, or are you just kind of like... No, but I think I have to start. I think it's my final form. Really? Well, I have a parking spot. so it's like that's like kind of half the battle so if you have that that's huge you sort of just what a perk where are you going to put the peloton though yeah great point great point what else can you do with a parking spot though i feel like there are lots of like you could probably rent that out like new york city space wise yeah i mean if you need to if you need a place to stay next time you're in town i can put that's what i'm saying that's literally what i'm saying i'm like can i it's on airbnb right now

People do rent them. I mean, they're expensive, so it's like a whole thing. Last night, Jason, we went to go see Oedipus at Studio 54, and I ran to Chris Croner, and he's like, I drove here. It's cool. Once you start doing it, you drive everywhere. And also, you and Chris, both guys named Chris who are sober, so that's great. Because New York City, I feel like I'm going to go out. on the town, it's not going to be, it's going to be a DUI. It's going to be giving DUI. So it's good. If you leave the corner store after six martinis, they're going to, they're going to light you up on Bowery. Although New York feels like a place where you'd never see somebody getting pulled over for a DUI, right? You really don't. That's very Tennessee, actually. I'm sure. Maddie, how many, how many you got? You've been lit up before now, Maddie? How many DUIs you got? At least one. I'm just trying to take guys with no DUIs. That's like, that's my new. That's my new requirement. DUIs are hot, though. I'm trying to write a country song. I'm really into time utilization, so if I can get at least a verse out of this situation, we're good to go. I'll even cut you guys in. This is great. You can give me our parking space for song lyrics. I don't want points. If I get a shout-out, I'm happy with that. I need full name, though. No initials. Can't date guys who's got DUIs. But if they have enough money to afford the lawyer fees, I'm back. That kind of energy, right? As long as he takes care of it. You know what I mean? As long as he's willing to talk about taking care of it. All right. So are we in the market for a new man now? Can we help you at all? Responsibility is so hot. Responsibility is so attractive. Oh, my God. I like I'm I'm like on again, off again market. I think, you know, like I'm I really I don't know what I'm going to do. I really love living alone and I love waking up alone and I love going to bed alone. So there is that. Sounds like you should just be promiscuous. Get the fucking get to leaving. You know, that's really interesting. I've been thinking about that. I'm a really big I'm a really big fan of.

Did you know that Frida Kahlo and Diego Rivera, like they had houses next to each other and they like built a bridge between their houses so that they could like visit each other. But they basically just kind of like vibed. Yeah, it's so cool. It's so cool. What about that? I know people that have had apartments next to each other, and one is the one they sleep in, and one is the office. Do they share both, though? That's not going to work. No, no. I think it's like there's one person that goes to an office, and there's one person that needs one, and there's one area for sleeping. Just a commute of walking next door. That's amazing. You could do that in Tennessee. There's all kinds of space. It's cheap. There's a house for rent across the street from my house, and I'm like, that would be it. That's great. But you can't, you can't also like sleep with your neighbor. So like it would have to be like a very serious situation for like that to be a, well, are you, I feel like you're someone who wants to date age appropriate. And unfortunately they're going to be a musician and I don't think there's much you can do about that. I won't do that. Okay. Okay. You're going to date an IT guy. Who the fuck are you going to come on? I'm talking. Like, was there, like, a landscaper or, like, a doctor or, like, a farmer? Big variance between those two. He wants somebody that works with their hands. He's got a good job at the Yeti. Yeti? Yeah, great. Love that. Who's your man? Oh, he actually runs Lucchese, actually. He's the CEO. It's great. It's super cool. Yeah, but if he's running Lucchese, he's fucked every chick in town. Nicole Kidman's even gotten a piece. Nicole Kidman's even gotten a piece. That's the thing. I believed in love. I mean, what a catch, but honey, he's ran through. I believed in love until Nicole Kidman and Keith. When that happened, it was like an audible breaking of hearts, I think. Across the country, it was just, ugh. Right? Around the world? I believed in love until they started dating. I was like, he's gay. What are you talking about? i don't think he's gay i think he's australian and i think it's crazy that he's australian every time i look at him i forget that he's australian and it's it's right and then he starts talking and you're like oh my god but do you think you're gonna now you're gonna see keith down at the bluebird now trying to pick up youngins or like what do we you think is he out in the town is he going to fucking open mic nights now what's the gay bar in nashville that's where he'll be at

Found, found. Spotted. What is the gay bar in Nashville? I've never been to a gay bar in Nashville. Chris is trying to get you off the scent. There's, I mean, I think play is like the most renowned. There's also Lipstick Lounge. Oh, so good. But that's lesbian leaning, I assume. Musgraves can't show up at the Lipstick Lounge, right? Yeah, you and Musgraves can't show up at Lipstick Lounge. Doom Walls, I'll be talking about it. Lipstick Lounge is like a 1am, like a last minute play for me personally. One last shot? One last shot. One last shot at love. One last shot. I guess I'll hit the lounge. Couldn't get no dick tonight. Ran out of coke. I'll hit the lounge. Maybe I'll find something warm. One last shot at love is good. That's good. Are you writing that down for a bridge right now? She's writing that down. I'm thinking A minor to C on that. I'll put you in touch to Jason's publisher. I'm going to shout you out like DJ Khaled. I'm going to be like, Jason Stewart! Chris! We the best music. One last shot. That's fine. That's fine for us. When you show up at a place like that, though, because in Nashville, you know, I'm sure you're an impressive karaoke singer if you're in any other city, but in Nashville. Everyone can sing. So what do you even do? Does your Sheryl Crow work there? Or do you have to go crazy? Actually, not to bring it back to the dating thing, but I used to date this guy and we would sing the Kid Rock Sheryl Crow duet. Great song. Kid Rock's only good song. I can't understand why we're living life this way. I found your picture today.

Great song. Great song. But there was like some scary dive bar on the other side of town, like in South Nashville. I'm trying to remember what it was called, but it was like it was kind of near the zoo, the Nashville Zoo. And like there were only ever like five or six people and just chain smoking inside like Coors Light at like 2 p.m. kind of. It was when I first moved back from L.A. and really just needed like. six months to kind of be the worst and find my feet. Got it. What a nice way to put it. Yeah. My ho phase. My ho phase. Yeah. Like while she's really getting around. No, no, no. She's just trying to find her feet. I'm just being the worst. I'm trying to find my feet. So you, you, you and your own Bob Ritchie would sing the kid Cheryl cover. together the song the song is called picture from 2001 you know you know like in the in like the movie is what we're like you know it's like you're drinking from the wine glasses but you wrap your arms around each other's arms we would do that with like the microphones and like chain smoke and like you know kind of it was it was a whole moment just looking into each other's eyes we went you had to go you have to go all the way sometimes you know no i agree you have to sell them You have to go all the way down. That is such a great song. I kind of forget about it because I feel like it doesn't really come up that much now that Bob's sort of persona non grata. But he gave us that one at least. He gave us that one. He did. Yeah, poor Cheryl. He gave us that and like a horrible bar on Broadway that I only went to one time. What's it called? I can't remember. But it's like four stories and just like, oh, my God. It's like. Just yelling. Yeah, I know that there's like a Kid Rock bar. Who else has? What other celebrity country people? I'm pretty sure. Does Guy Fieri have one? Florida Georgia Line, I think, has one. And I will say, like, one woman bar-owning country lady on Broadway, Miranda Lambert, goat. Like, great bar. Of course. And just, you know. I actually listened to Miranda. I listened to Miranda Lambert on Joe Rogan kind of by accident.

Did you know? By accident. Yeah. Well, you know she married like a cop? Yeah. Like she just married like a New York cop? I want to say he's a firefighter, but yeah. Yep. Uniform guy. I just looked up Miranda's bar. It's called Miranda Lambert's Casa Rosa. Casa Rosa. Oh, you can eat too? It's kind of her version of Los Angeles' Pink Taco, if you're familiar with that one, Maddie. Be fun. Yes. Very rhinestones. Wow. That sounds pretty good. I would like to go to... Morgan Wallen's bar, he threw the chair off of his own bar, or was it a different bar? I don't know. Sometimes you've got to throw a chair off the roof. As much as I should, in theory, based on my musical taste, I should really like Morgan Wallen, and for some reason I don't. And it's sort of confusing to me. I love, I will say one thing about... uh nashville too i feel like so many of the like nashville pop star country stars like are leaning into like everyone's building their lore you know what i mean it's like in 30 years there are going to be these stories about morgan wall and throwing the chair off of the roof of his bar that is totally insane that's an insane move it is an insane move but i think it's much less romanticized than the like led zeppelin trash in their hotel rooms back in the day and driving a car into the pool throwing a tv out the window that's cool and legendary and sick and sexy but morgan wallen screaming the n-word and throwing a fucking stool off the roof that's insane it just has a different feel to it right that's because look look at morgan wallen's haircut you know what i mean it's not it's not it doesn't feel cool it's just he's not cool but why do why do women why why can't women resist him Why are their powers... Maddie, when's the last time you dated a guy with a little mullet, to be honest? Far too recently. It was months ago, honestly. What time is it? It's not even real. That's like maybe also currently. You know what I mean? Unavoidable. He said he was going to the barbershop yesterday. I haven't seen him since. How many guys in Nashville in your age range of fuckability don't have a mullet? I don't have to see the back. I don't have to see the back. I can choose not to see the back. This is a lyric as well. I don't need to see the back of his head, but he needs to see the back of mine.

A women's right to choose across the board. I choose not to... see the back of your head ever i'd choose the front i'm blind i'm blind to your racist haircut pro-choice all the way i just like that's just my thing you know well that haircut is a disease and i think nashville and austin are the two most infected places that's where we need outbreaks that's the wuhan of the mullet yeah that's the that's the wet market of the mullet i must i must be broken i'm like i can make it cute before we cut it i can make it cute You look at the mullet and say, I could fix him. I'm broken. I can. You're saying you can make it cute by like being on their arm or you're saying you're going to put some bedhead in it. Like Jason said, I don't understand what you mean. Okay, Maddie. Okay. Let's, let's go back to Morgan really quick. That's why I speak broadly. You know what I mean? Because like, just take, take what you will. Let's say you didn't know a single thing about Morgan Mullen and you just saw. he just came up to you and started talking or you saw a photo of him, would you say this guy is attractive or no? You know what's funny? I don't know what he looks like. I just know his name. I don't actually, I don't. know what he looks like he looks like he looks like a guy that works at oldie you know kind of like he doesn't really he's a country music singer plays stadiums maybe he doesn't look like much you know what i'm saying it's not what's the guy midlands you know the model guys the one that's married to to ty from outdoor voices like those guys are too hot like it feels also don't know i don't know i feel like i know like I was, like, the most useless person to ever, like, live in Hollywood. I knew who, like, Brad Pitt was and Angelina Jolie, and that was, like, kind of, that, like, was about it for me. You wouldn't recognize someone from Selling Sunset when you're at, you know. Selling who? So you're more, you swim more comfortably in the waters of, let's say, the Lilith Fair crowd. I actually, I know the Selling Sunset cast very well. That's one of my binge watches when I get home from tour. I'm like, what?

30 million. I knew we had a lot. I knew we had a lot in common. Chris, you can smell it on you. What? 30 million dollar house? I can smell the Oppenheimer on you. You're the O group. You're the O group. Put your O's up. Did you? What was that? What is that? All my Ops. That movie, Arrival. Do you remember Arrival? Like where they talk in the ink swishes? Yes. Doesn't the O group emblem look very much like an alien ink swoosh? Every time I see the O group, I'm like, why are we doing the arrival emblem? I don't understand what's happening. Yeah, it's like a rustically drawn O ring. And actually, there's an apartment complex on my street that's currently up for sale from the O group. And I walk by that sign every day. And now that I'm looking at the arrival Sanskrit language, O, it's a spinning image. Wait, are you in LA? That's where you are? I'm in LA. That's where I am, baby. You jealous? Don't get PTSD from just talking to him now. I kind of, yeah. Did you see me glaze over just for like... Which bad east side neighborhood did you live in though? Oh my God, hilarious. How deep in Mount Washington were you? That's funny. I actually, I was like, I think I lived... I had an apartment in 2012. And so, like, my rent was still, like, a thousand bucks a month for, like, a studio apartment a block from Sunset. Like, right in Sunset Junction. And then I did move to Sunland Valley, like, to Hunga Canyon for, like, a year. I never heard none of those words before. It's, like, Montrose. You know Montrose? Oh, I'm out. I'm out. If you go up to two towards the mountains, that's where it's not that far. But I mean, I know a lot of people buy by houses up there because you can get a lot of land and you can build like a sick ass house for a small amount of money. Yeah, you can still be able to drive. You could drive into L.A., you know, get into Silver Lake in 10, 15 minutes. Yeah, it's like I mean, it's also like full breaking bad out there a little bit still. Like they're just like crosses on hills and like you can walk around naked and like it's a whole it's a little we, you know, we don't.

We don't call 911 type shit energy over there, you know what I mean? We take care of ourselves. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, there was... I mean, you know, some people like to live like that in Los Angeles. I mean, there really was. There was a guy at the very end of, like, the street turned into, I don't know, just sand at some point, but, like, a mile and a half down this, like, sand road. This guy literally lived on, like, this... hill just surrounded by cacti like that he had like built out like just like hundreds of feet of cacti like that guy is like he is up there for the apocalypse a fortress that's cool that's cool i mean that's the whole california dream yeah that's a california yeah because we have a lot of uh we like to segregate our houses in los angeles with these large hedges for privacy so nobody can see in but the cacti it's a nice natural native plant and it's it's a real bad guy deterrent i don't want to go through a cacti bush yeah it's not even so prickly affordable it's still high price there was also like a boat at the bottom of this like ravine on his property which i thought was so interesting i'm just like so if we go like full like apocalypse like the waters are rising does he also have like an escape boat if it gets biblical i've got my boat ready to go that is so sick like this dude has everything that's really smart actually i always forget about the water part of of the apocalypse so i'm glad you reminded me sleep on the water part of the apocalypse i would be i would be remiss if we didn't talk about you touring with harold stylish one of the favorite one of our favorite one of our favorite one of our favorite reoccurring characters on this show that has never been on it really i mean i'm a harold head i'm i love one of our favorite marathon runners of all time probably yeah he's my favorite my favorite runner for sure So you were in the band, but you also opened. You were doing double duty or was that separate occasions? I only did double duty for one show. How did you feel after doing double? Because that feels like a real haul. Because this motherfucker's up there for three hours dancing around in his little sequins. So that's going to wear you out. I luckily didn't have to do any of the sequins or the real light on the toes thing.

I got to just kind of like, when I was in his band, I was just wearing like a denim jumpsuit that like made me look like I was going to get shot into space and got to just kind of like, you know, I played, he's the only man that I will ever play Maracas for like ever. Yeah, same. I play Maracas for his little ass too. Right. So is the, is the, are we talking about the same thing? I was just going to say, I was like, which really does just sound like a euphemism for forever, but you know. Now, when you do something like that, it's always fascinating to me because obviously you're a shredder, you're a professional. But how long do you have to learn all of these songs? Did you have enough time or was it like a weird rush for whatever reason? It was not so much of a rush. I mean, he hit me up like probably mid-February, something like that before. And we got to rehearsals like at some point in April. So I had plenty of time to like metabolize. And like the way they build those shows is just it's so. careful and meticulous um and really just like i mean i love it so much i'm a bit of a perfectionist so i'm just like i mean i will i will i mean i'll sit in the berkeley practice shredding rooms the sound for forever um so it was it was a really wonderful experience that i felt like i mean there's still no way to really prepare you for like just screams at a volume that like you can't like they're just like and they're hating you from every side of your body so it's just like it's wild now did they did they did you retain some audience when you opened or was it like who is this bitch like what's the vibe No, I mean, even still like on this last tour, like, you know, two years, three, almost three years later, like people are still showing up saying, you know, I saw you for the first time in Palm Springs, like opening for Harry or I saw you in London opening for Harry. That's great. That's cool. It actually works like because I feel like it's it could go either way when someone's that popular. Their fans are either like. I don't care about anything else or they're willing to take in, you know, if they get the stamp of approval. No, I honestly like I was a bit nervous opening for him generally because I feel like any female like within 100 feet of Harry Styles might get like something thrown at them. You got a red dot on your head and just being near him? I was a bit like anxious, but like the girls are like all of his fans are just so insanely sweet. I mean, like.

and just genuine and like encouraging and just like i think they're aware of like the scale that like the whole thing is the whole thing sits on and so it was just like it was cool it was like i don't know just people yelling me at me like you've got this and then like throwing a bracelet at my face um but like a cute bracelet that like is like you know one of my one of my song titles or like sometimes like i would show up and like people would know like all of the lyrics and i'm like how is that even I've heard about shit like that. I've heard about shit like that before where it's like they're so into it and they're so excited that they do the homework, which is pretty awesome. I mean, that's best case. No, they show up for the show experience. They'll show up with your face on a T-shirt. It's crazy. It's beautiful. I suspect that it's so they can use you to get to Harry. I'm going to endear her. Chris and I, we interview a lot of people in the pod. And I'll get a DM or a message just like, can you introduce me to Lord? Can I go to Hozier's Green Room? I live in Bangladesh. And, you know, we're just like, you know, we're just vessels for the Lord. Like we're just conduits. Would you do something like that again or did you get your fill of sort of that lifestyle? That's a really good question. I really did love it. I think. I would probably do it again and be much better prepared for it. Yeah, because it feels like if you're really great at what you do... and it's not about you, but you're getting paid really well, and the travel is really nice. It seems like kind of the best version of being a professional guitar player. Oh. And someone is in charge of everything, and you get your call sheet, and that's it. Oh, it's best case, honestly. Oh, I didn't know you meant being in this band. Yeah, I would drop up a hat. I mean any band. I mean other things like that. Like Kid Rock's band or something. Yeah, let's say Bob calls you. Let's just go straight for Kid. I checked you out. I checked out your stuff and I really like it. I mean, I, I would definitely, I'm like, and I, and I think I said this to, um, Harry Styles at some point, you know, like that's not my normal, like I don't, I'm not really in bands much. They're probably much more, uh, experienced people that you can like tap into, uh, especially being him. You know what I mean? Like he could have anybody, but yeah, I don't know. Like being in a band is like,

It's so nice to not have it be about you. I love singing just muscularly. It just feels really good in my body. So it was really fun to just be in somebody else's band. Maddie is cool. I feel the same way about singing, but no one's really interested in hearing me do it. I feel it on a cellular level. Singing is like my Pilates. My body just really responds well to it. People don't respond the way that I want them to, so I've had to sort of scale it back a little bit as far as that goes. But it's nice to hear someone else do it as much as you do. I'm so sorry for your loss. It's really nice. You should do it more often. Yeah, you should sing all the time. You should try singing a lot. Yeah, you should try it professionally. Are you going on tour again, or are you done for the year? We'll see. I've had some business. What the fuck do you mean, we'll see? After that Ryman show, you know, phone's been ringing. We'll see. Made quite the impression. I'm definitely going to be playing shows all next year. That's probably fact. When I get home from tour, I try not to remember my name. I try to brainwash myself for a good four or five days. You just want to lock yourself in your house by yourself, put on some comfortable clothes, smoke a little J, walk into the walls, fall asleep whenever you want to. Is this a YouTube thing? No, no, no. Thank God. Voice for radio, face for radio. This is my heaven. I wasn't going to comment on the Bon Iver wall color, but I didn't know you were such a fan. Salmon is an interesting choice. You guys, it's Rosie Pashmina, okay? It's called Rosie Pashmina, and I painted my bowl. No, we're talking about the color of your wall, not your drag name. We're talking about this kind of a pinkish salmon kind of color. You ain't fooling anybody with Rosie Pashmina when you pull up to sing fucking Dolly Parton at the lesbian bar. It's a Sherwin-Williams specialty. Oh, okay.

The good folks over at Sherwin-Williams, they sure know how to make a nice bucket of latex, don't they? Honestly, you know what bums me out? Their logo freaks me out. It's literally, it's cover the earth. And it's a bucket of paint covering the planet. And I just, I didn't know it until I walked out with all of my buckets of paint. And I was like, never again. I just, it really. It has a little Illuminati energy to it, doesn't it? It does. Freaked me out, man. Like, it's just, ugh. Cover the earth in your weird latex. What if Sherwin wants to cover the world with some dope vibes? Maybe that's all Sherwin wants to do. Maybe that's it. Oh, I love it. It's also kind of Banksy-ish, right? I'm up everywhere all over the world. Okay, Maddie. Thank you, Maddie. Thank you for podding with us and taking the time out of your alone time, your onion time, to pod with us. I think it was a success, though, huh? So many. I think it was a success, too. I really hope that I'm just continuing to build my brand with Rosie Pashmina and onion alone time. Hey, man. Thanks so much. These things are a reality. Fellas, she's single. Believe it or not. Jason, play my favorite song is Feel Something. It might be a little too dramatic for the end, but if... You know, just if you're feeling it, you know what I mean? It might be a little dramatic. Okay. If feel something is too sad and slow for the outro of this episode, I will be forced to play a Kid Rock picture featuring Cheryl Crow. Oh, my God. Or maybe I'll play both. At the same time, I really hope. This is Thanksgiving. You can pan them because you know what that means. My cornucopia is bountiful. Wait, I can pan them? You can pan them because you know what that means. He's like, sorry, did you say that I could do something tech audio? I am listening. Go on. You want me to play two songs at the same time, one left, one right? That sounds like a great sonic experience. Y'all are too crazy. Y'all are too crazy. All right. Maddie, happy Thanksgiving. Thanks for having me. We'll see you soon, hopefully. All right. I'll talk to y'all. All right. Later. Bye.

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