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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. Buongiorno. Buongiorno. It is I, them jeans. You are over there, Chris. You are in Italy, correct? Undisclosed location? Well, I can disclose that I'm in beautiful Lake Como. You know, just the day is ending here as your day is beginning in our hometown of Los Angeles. But yeah, I feel like I got hit by a bus. I was able to do Barry's Milan two days in a row, though, so don't feel that sorry for me. Okay, and were the instructors, in fact, smoking cigarettes in class as we suspected, or is that just hearsay? No, but one thing I love about the Italian people, besides the bad tattoos, is the absolute dedication and love. for the music of uh acdc real i never noticed that a truly terrible band that i hear like these guys they play like remixes of it uh Kind of all the time. So they're not listening to the classic, you know, but they're doing an updated kind of EDM. We love Steve O'Kirini. That's how you say. Exactly. It's very much that. Okay, so you're on Lake Como, which is basically, for our listeners who don't know, more or less kind of Paradiso in terms of just a beautiful, amazing island. George Clooney famously has an estate there. Yes.

Hotel rooms start at a couple grand if you want to really be playing with the big boys. And you're hearing motherfucking EDM remixes of AC Dietschy? Or is this more in Milano? This is more in Milano. My other favorite thing about Barry's Milan is that the instructors, the male instructors, only give personal attention to the female students in the class. You know, my form didn't get corrected once. Any woman in the class is getting a nice lower back touch. and kind of like a true hands-on instruction, what you're paying for if you're a man but you're not receiving. Okay, so it's sort of Italian-style training is still alive and well over there is what you're saying. Exactly, exactly. But I think at this point, it's a little bit of a cliché trope that Italian men are sort of feverishly horny all the time and constantly in pursuit of... deflowering your wife sister or daughter at any given moment i don't know if that's quite true anymore but it's it's it's one of those stare you know it's like calling jewish people really wealthy they're kind of like okay yeah yeah that's cool yeah you're like oh you you you're you fuck a lot because you're good at fucking and you like sex and women fuck you and they're like yeah that's cool yeah exactly you're not gonna you're only gonna deny it once maybe you know and then and you're gonna let it go but yeah so i'm i'm i'm here i'm not i'm having a tough time adjusting to the to the the time difference for some reasons i've just been feeling very rough yeah as a global citizen that's unlike you i know it's weird i don't know what the problem is i mean i i don't know i i need i haven't been sleeping like we just didn't sleep last night so i just don't feel great and of course i had a full day of well not full day but you know train from milan to como of course i had to roll some calls send some emails because we're not taking days off and um it's it's it's it's taken a toll on my mental um but luckily There are multiple beautiful clay courts tomorrow that I plan to – I lugged my tennis gear all the way across the world to play on these courts. There's also a sauna and cold plunge connected to the gym.

So it might be adjacent. Not the plunge. Yeah, it might be adjacent day for me tomorrow. It might be three hours of the gym day, and I come out of there, order a big bottle of sparkling and espresso, and then really get my life restarted. Okay, so just to be clear, we're in a time where international travel is absolutely loco. You've got the Heathrow Airport luggage, graveyard, just thousands of bodies stacked on one another. Looks like a crust. hardcore seven inch cover of just you know it has a millions of dead cops seven inch vibe um and you're like you know what not only am i not going to check my luggage i'm going to haul my fucking tennis racket that is dedication to the game unlike only rafas or alcaraz are on that level of commitment it's astounding i'm just not interested in playing in borrowed gear for any reason like i don't want to borrow anything nobody is well yeah but it's also like with shoes like obviously i can't you can't play tennis in in running shoes you'll hurt yourself so i have to bring the shoes and then it's clay so they're gonna get fucked up i can't wear another man's shoes that's fucking crazy yeah this ain't bowling that's crazy would you wear it i mean you can't no i guess the shoe the shoe part is one thing because you know They're a shoe you put in your suitcase. It takes up a lot of space, especially for fellows of our size. You, me, Lee Pace, tall kings. Exactly. We got big feet. I don't know. But that fits in a suitcase just barely. But the tennis racket doesn't, and that's something that you really are physically lugging it around, and then you are then tennis guy, right? That's the problem. You're a tennis guy in the airport. Well, that's the problem. I don't want people to think because I lugged this racket around that I'm so good. It's more that I'm so good. I'm just so stupid that I refuse to use a borrowed racket because I would feel uncomfortable and maybe not play as well as I should. So they walk up to you in the airport and they're like, you professional or neurotic? And you're like, oh, just neurotic. Just neurotic. Don't worry about me. But, yeah, I think I had to re-engineer my packing style for this trip to accommodate this stuff. So I went. Did you go on side saddle? No, no. I went Ramoa Cabin XL.

metal carry-on with the lv xl duffel this motherfucker and the duffel the duffel actually allows best for racket transport okay so you have a you have a louis duffel it's black it's the obviously it's not like it's not a pattern it's a tasteful understated i mean it's not obvious it's not obvious It needs to be clarified. Okay, so that's a lot of look, even if it is black, but you can pull it off, right? Can I or can I? Who knows, but I'm doing it. Is it easier to be tennis guy or Louis Duffel guy in the style of Young Dro, perhaps? I wish I was wearing more polo. No, you wouldn't know. It's like a thing they did years ago. Understated. Yeah, you wouldn't know, unless you know. There's no giveaways. There's no logo. There's no brown. There's no lighter brown. It's debadged. It's debadged. At the atelier. Classic Chris style, yeah. So I've been able to – the racket, the butt end just pokes out a bit, and that I can live with. I'm not going to carry – Showing tip. Exactly. Just showing a little cleavage, a little racket cleavage, if you will. But enough about me. Something for the fellows at the pro shop. Enough about me and the fellows at the pro shop. Jason, what's going on with you? You know, just calm before the storm. We're going to head out pretty soon this weekend off to London. So if you're in London, I've already got my proper DINs sorted, but I am looking for a little nightlife action. I'm trying to tell myself that I'm going to go out to the... to the bars, to the clubs, but who knows? This is a cute idea, but I think you're maybe going to hit a pub and then maybe head home. I might hit a pub. I don't really see you. I think Monday to basically all of next week, except for the weekend, like Monday to Friday or something like that, I will be in London, actually for the very first time in my life, believe it or not. If any London listeners know of any proper activations to get well sorted at,

Do let me know in the DMs. If you see Jason at the Amelian door store, no, you didn't. No, that will not happen. That's what I'm saying. If you see Jason at Sexy Fish in Soho, you did see him there. That is definitely him. Is Sexy Fish a sushi place? Yeah, it's a classic. You should look into it. I detect a sense of playful sarcasm in your voice. I feel like it might be not a Jiro Dreams of Sushi omakase kind of thing and maybe more of a... what the fish situation. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's probably somewhere in between. It's like a Nobu of London? Sexy Fish is an Asian restaurant and bar located on the corner of Berkeley Square, Mayfair, serving Japanese-inspired sushi, sashimi, seafood, fish, and meat cooked on a Robata grill. I mean, because it sounds like a horny restaurant from Sex and the City 2003 or something. It is that era, but yeah, it's old for sure, but check this out, Jason. Okay. The bar, which is open late, holds the world's largest Japanese whiskey collection. I don't know if I believe that. But that's cool. I believe it because it's a high roller type of joint. Oh, some of the footballers might come around for a 15-year. That's proper PD, they might say. Okay, yeah, so I'm just getting ready to go. It's a little bit of that kind of calm before the storm. What am I forgetting? What am I going to pack? Is my passport five years expired? Stuff like that that's sort of racking my brain a little bit. I'm trying to avoid the realization that going on a two-week-long European vacation with the size 17 shoe and the space that takes up in a suitcase, I'm just trying to avoid thinking about packing at all. I thought you got the custom away. Did you not? I thought they did something special for you for the footwear. I did get the custom away, and my good friends at the Salvation Army are enjoying that collab right now. Got him! I went to go donate it. Salvation Army wouldn't even take it because of the lithium-ion battery. They made me take it out before I threw it in their dumpster. Sir, as they're battering this, you're going to have to take it out before we throw it away. Yeah, that's funny. That's very funny. Can't even donate the OA. But shout-outs to OA. They have a great new brick-and-mortar over in...

Over in West Hollywood in your neighborhood, I'm sure they're doing big numbers over there. I jog by that dust bowl every day, and it doesn't seem like much is happening over there. Well, I'm glad that you're – look, as a person who's just slightly ahead of you on a European jaunt, let me say that don't overthink it. Kiss, Jason. Keep it simple, stupid. Okay. I think that the – I thought I was overthinking the packing. And I think that I maybe nailed it. We'll see how these looks go over. But it seems like I might have done the right thing. It's a lot tougher for you because you've got to have some formal shit. I'm sort of like, do I need pants? And I'm obviously going to bring pants. You can't go to one of Gordon Ramsay's joints and shorts. I know that. He will say that the appearance of my thighs is bollocks. He'll say this is... Yeah, he'll be very upset that your thigh – he'll say your thighs look like an underdone beef wellington. Oh, every chef's worst nightmare. Yeah, does it get worse than that? Yeah, I think that – I think you will need some... Luckily, everybody in London wants to look like a freak, so you're going to be fine. Oh, good. Okay, I will bring my Eckhaus Lada. Shout out to my family over at Eckhaus for dropping the pack. I forgot to post it on Instagram. Yeah, it's interesting that Eckhaus didn't drop the pack off with me, but I guess they knew better, you know, that I won't really... Yeah, you're not a freak, bro. I'm not a freak. Well... They don't really give it to kind of like cis males, you know? Oh, okay. It's a little bit more of an inclusive brand. Oh, I see, I see, I see. I forget your inclusive TJs. your fluidity up broke huh we we do have a guest today an esteemed guest uh a friend of mine that i'm very happy to get on the program as well as all of our um literally every listener we have i think lusts you know for this man so i did a little instagram teaser this morning and my inbox clean up on aisle them jeans's inbox it's just every every single person straight white male female non-binary is just like I'm dead. I'm quivering. Yeah, it's just like, oh, that's the love of my life. I will be marrying him one day. I am hyperventilating. All of these words are happening. It's very inspiring to have a person around our same age, a few years older than us, but kind of having such a moment right now, like shitting on Gosling and Chalamet and all these...

He is truly the it man right now. No, he really is. Just in terms of horniness. No, he really is. And he's in Bodies, Bodies, Bodies, the new movie that we saw a while back. It's out in theaters, I believe, in New York and L.A. today, Friday. Great timing. And it's very funny. I would highly recommend going to see it. Yeah, a lot of funny podcast-related dialogue in that one. And also, I mentioned to him, I mentioned to Lee, Lee is responsible for me seeing the first role played by Pete Davidson that I actually enjoyed. For some reason, Pete being sort of the beta to Lee's alpha. Yes, yeah, it made you feel good. That was like the best way I've ever seen. To digest Pete. Yeah, Pete was perfect as a beta. Something to think about, old Petey. Something to think about all those Hollywood casting directors. That's really who you're talking to. I guess it's tough to be a beta when you're nine inches deep in Kim Kardashian, but hey, what are you going to do? Hey, what are you going to do? This is acting, after all. You know what I mean? It's all fake. But yeah, Lee joins us today, and he's also in that show, Foundation Season 2 on Apple will be out, he said, in a long time, because it takes forever to shoot. A lot of posts. Let's get into it, baby. How long gone? All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics, but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated, but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer. And quality European linen pants and shirts.

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There's not a lot of movie premieres in parks, so you have to kind of consider your surroundings. That's not something I've thought of as a Hollywood native. Yeah. Well, it was hot too. It's been so hot in New York. And what I was going to wear was like this jacket and this purple shirt. And I was like, you know what? I just don't think this is the night for... What the hell? You made a game time decision is what we call that in the business. You made a game time decision. You called it audible. You know, Tom Brown has so many shorts and stuff, though, guys. This seems like a no-brainer slam dunk. I'm not in the business. I don't know how it works, though. Yeah, I mean, I'll wear shorts pretty much anywhere all the time. But, you know, you have to kind of be professional sometimes. I like that about you because Jason and I, you know, first of all, this is kind of a tough podcast for me because today I'm the shortest person on the podcast. And usually we kind of like to dwarf our guests. I think that we all, all three of us are shorts forward kind of guys. And I think it's nice to kind of be seen amongst each other and understand that that's kind of an accepted lifestyle in 2022. I appreciate it. I'll tell you, Jason. I'm 6'9". Yeah, I mean, it's fine. You know, I mean, like you're what, 6'5"? About 6'5", but 6'9 is a whole other... 6'6", if you're in a good mood. It's a whole other world, but I think about it all the time. It's like the difference of this much, like a coffee mug. But it's miles apart. It is miles apart. When I run into people that tall, I'm definitely like, whoa. Get the hell out of here, you know? For the listeners at home, Lee just acted like he was shielding himself from the sun when he runs into people that are actually... Yeah, he looked like a bug that was about to be stepped on by a Timberland. I think that... Now, do you think you gravitate towards shorts because of your height or because of your warm weather upbringing, or is it just an aesthetic choice? I just like them. I mean, I'm from Texas. We wear a lot of shorts in Texas. In the last few years, the five-inch inseam has really been a moment, but I feel like, like you were saying before, sometimes you just got to be a little more dressed up. I think I need to have a longer shorts inseam. As I get older, is that something you think about, Lee?

No, no, I haven't really thought about it in the detail. You've been thinking about it. I mean, how big is, how long, how short is like a five inch inseam? I mean, looking at my leg right now, I'm trying to see five inches down. That's short, short. It's a short, short. Well, the problem is a five inch inseam, like a pair of Patagonia baggies are sort of the standard short, short. And I'll be wearing those and a person who's, you know, five, nine will be wearing them. And they'll kind of look normal on both of us, but there's nothing normal about it going on. And longer shorts and seams are kind of becoming a little more in fashion, aren't they, Chris? I can't do it. I just don't. It doesn't serve the purpose for me. If I'm going to do it, I want. I mean, honestly, if it was up to me, because legs are one of the only qualities that I have in my looks going for me, I would go three inch. To be honest, if I had the quads really blasted, I would go three inch. Those are shorts. That's right. That's called a hoe short where I come from. I don't need a pair of shorts where you can see the balls from the back, Chris. It's already tough with five. In the running community, a three-inch short is a normal thing. I do run in something that small, but it does feel almost inappropriate or pay-per-view style to even go get a smoothie with those on post. post-run. You don't want to give too much away. Lee, as a long-time listener of How Long Gone, I know that you're familiar with our fitness chatter. I was looking forward to some fitness chatter. Don't worry. We're here for you, big dog. But I know that for Foundation, the Apple show you're on, you got to get jacked, right? You got to be big. Yeah. Whereas in Bodies, Bodies, Bodies, you're a little more Olympic swimmer. Lean. Well, I work out with this guy, Ian Benson, who I met in Limerick when we first started doing foundation. And he has traveled with me through the Canary Islands, Malta. We were just recently in Prague for the second season. He is so solid. He's so knowledgeable.

He's so supportive, and I cannot imagine getting in shape like that without him. Couldn't do it on my own, I can tell you that. We all need a shaman, and I completely agree with you. So with that level... When you're in Malta, look, I know this is a big production, but Malta, what are we working with here? Some adjustable dumbbells? What do we got gear-wise in a remote location? He's moving heavy rocks and stuff. I mean, Malta was an odd situation, but it was a very high-tech gym, like super, super high-tech, but that's not always what you want. The best gym we found was, it was in the middle of COVID, so they were pretty much closed down, but in Fort Ventura. In the Canary Islands, there was a CrossFit gym that you could just open up all the doors. So you're basically working out outside, but you had, you know, pull-up bars, all the weights you need, racks to do squats and fresh air. That was ideal for me. That does sound very nice, especially some of the places I've been. When you're really searching for it, I've been to a cop gym in Tampa, and it didn't really hit the same as what you're describing. I don't like a crowded gym. I like to have space and not many people around, a nice view. Fresh air. That's my ideal. I like nice view. That's something I'm not considering a lot because I'm usually looking at like a parking lot or maybe another wall, you know, so I think I need to maybe. I think the nice view is something I should aspire to. Well, the view in the gym should be the mirror reflection of your cum gutters, right? I mean, that's true. That's true. If you have them, Jason, so I don't know what gym you're going to, but they must have some magic mirrors there for you. I'm still waiting for their email back. It keeps going to spam. that one that is that makes it fun though i feel like the adventure of having to find a new place to figure it out especially when you're the professional i think it makes it more fun especially when you're that professional does the job for you and you just show up and you look like you're on diplo's instagram

Bench-pressing coconut trees and stuff. Exactly, yeah. In the jungle. Exactly. But the program for foundation versus regular life, it's like life-altering level, like having to eat a lot and shit, or is it pretty normal? Is it just the HGH? I mean, I'm bad with taking supplements and stuff just because I forget to take them. So I just try to eat well, especially if I've got like a goal. You know, I don't kind of keep on a crazy diet all the time. But if I've got a goal, then I think, all right, for this set amount of time, I can be disciplined. And then the rest of the time, I can relax. I was hoping you were like a, you know, chicken breast in the morning, chicken breast at lunch, you know, chicken breast and broccoli for dinner. Brown rice smoothie for dessert. Exactly, exactly. Lee, did you ever have a big boy phase in your life? Chris and I both did. Yeah, absolutely. You can see it on Halt and Catch Fire Season 2. I start that season I'm big. So that was your Chandler Bing phase when you got a little puffy for Season 2. It was all for the character. The character was depressed. He wasn't feeling himself. Was it fun slipping into that? Or was it challenging eating all of that? in and out and stuff no that that part's never challenging what age what age are we looking at here like 35 okay jason and i's phases were uh much younger to be fair uh much much larger and also not captured on film so i think you won again yeah well i guess i've i've had a few where i've i mean i i feel like my adult life i've been you know working out gaining weight working out gaining weight no it's all That's actually a nice meditation on adulthood in general kind of that I'm going to take away from this. But I find that very impressive about actors in general that they're able to kind of like just kind of switch modes so easily because I'm such a routine guy that I'm not sure I could kind of go in and out the way you guys do.

I mean, I think the paycheck would help. I'm much happier when I've got a routine and I've got like, I mean, the thing I like most about it is the discipline. Is the discipline of like showing up every day, knowing your program, knowing, you know, what you hope to achieve, knowing that you're showing up to meet your goals, you know, and putting in the work for it. I like that more than any of the aesthetics that you end up with. I like that kind of presence of mind. So your goals are not aesthetic-based entirely. Well, I mean, that's obviously a part of it, but it's also just like I like how it feels, and I like how my body feels when I'm in shape like that. And that was definitely a turning point I felt during the pandemic because I have a little gym set up in my barn at the farm, and I was able to really spend time in it long workouts where i didn't have to like get in and out i could just take my time listen to music think about stuff rest between exercises and get a really good workout in in a kind of restful way and kind of learn about my body in a new way Stretch a lot. Uh-oh, this is sounding a lot like Jason's three and a half hours at Equinox in Glendale type of vibe. Inching dangerously close to that. Look, if you don't have to worry about your parking validation expiring after two hours, it feels really nice to just take your time with it, like you said. If you're doing something and you want to do it a little bit longer or do a little bit less and take a 10-minute break or just lay on the floor and stare at the ceiling for 10 minutes, when you're done with it, you don't feel tired. You feel kind of rejuvenated, at least for me. Yeah. I agree. All right, guys, I'll see you. I like a I like a 50 minute class so you guys can do your little meandering. The thing is, Lee, is that Jason's not an actor. You know, he doesn't he shouldn't have this much time is my point. You know, like he should be busier. I should put him to work more. This is mainly during the pandemic. Like when there was like that, there wasn't much to do. I would say I would do like yoga and then I'd come in and eat something and then I would do the workout later that day.

It was also a time when I was just a lot about health, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Health became such a, you know, if you had it, you were really grateful for it. Did you ever, did you do any, like... physically altering things during covid like you know shave your head or bleach your eyebrows or something like that not really no okay good no did you bleach your eyebrows i didn't bleach but i i buzzed the head i buzzed the head and it was it was a freeing moment i got i shaved my head during covid as well and now i'm never going back um and partly because i don't know how much i could go back of course but also because i do like the simplicity of the look a smooth peanut i don't know if i could Get away with it, guys. I'm sure you have much more luck. It looks really great on you, Chris. I don't know if I could get away with it. I think I'll look like a monkey. Yeah, you'll probably look terrible, Lee. Yeah, I didn't know. But, I mean, I had never done it even as a child, so I wasn't sure. It was a full surprise of the head shape. You know what I mean? You never know what's underneath there. You could have a pretty lumpy head under all that hair, Lee. We don't know that. Good. You're right. You're like, he's feeling around. Shit, maybe I do. Damn. This is crazy. So you said you grew up in Texas. What part of Texas was that? I went to high school in a place called Spring, Texas, which is right outside Houston. My folks are now outside Austin. Okay. So that's where I go back. It's hot in Texas right now. Boy, I've been talking to them. It's been over 100 degrees. for like a month and a half and it'll stay that way till september no it's not i look i we're pro texas on this podcast i like it a lot actually and so does jason um but the heat is is different because of the because of the humidity though that's some atlanta shit as well did you do any did you do any ranching or anything or was this just a regular house well it was a regular house we were in the suburbs when i grew up and now they live on a small farm um Outside Austin. No ranching. Yeah, I just watched BJ Novak's movie last night, Vengeance, and it all takes place in West Texas. And I really got a feeling of the difference between West Texas and the rest of Texas. They're just like, are you near Austin? And they just start laughing. And they're like, well, do you live near Dallas? And they're like, Dallas is not Texas. I'm like, what about Houston? Houston's a different country.

This is West Texas. You know what I mean? It's so true. I've driven across Texas so many times, and you will just drive and drive and drive and still be in Texas. It'll take a day to get through. No, it's true. I mean, like 10 hours, and you've only crossed the tit. But I do need to do some exploring over there. There's something about the heartland down there. It is true. It makes me feel good. Like, I feel the more time I spend in New York, L.A., the more I'm drawn to a place like Texas to kind of. get a feeling of what real America's like. I need to be around regular people sometimes. And you think you'll find them in Texas. Well, I just mean, we talk about how much I love to do some people watching at the airport. You know what I mean? It's the same kind of thing. I feel like sometimes when you don't leave your bubble or your zone, you forget what normal America is like and what they're doing. And I think it's important for me. to reconnect with that. As somebody who's been avoiding those people for decades, you should go back and look at them. That's what I'm saying. Exactly. As I come to you from a hotel room in Milan where I'm avoiding, I've gone as far as I can go to avoid these people, I need to sometimes go back. But you're from Atlanta. You've got, there's the heartland. Atlanta is the heartland, wouldn't you say? No, sure, for sure. It's the same shit. It's the same shit. I do go there and I do feel that. But Atlanta, you know, Atlanta's been infiltrated with hot Hollywood, you know. You've probably shot something there. I shot Hulk and Catch Fire in Atlanta, yeah. What did you think? I loved it. I loved it. It was such like a healthy city. Everyone had such a healthy lifestyle. Wow, you must have been in Buckhead with the hot rich people because the healthy lifestyle ain't trickling down to some of the spots. Oh, really? Oh, I was like right on that rail trail that was... It was near Piedmont Park. Is that right? Am I right? Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, yes. It's our version of the High Line. It's the same designers. Oh, same designers. Good to know. It's the same. It's kind of our claim to fame. Time to take a second look at Atlanta. Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was such a nice lifestyle in Atlanta. It's a very nice place to grow up. It was good. It's green. I do think it's gotten healthier, but yeah, the infiltration of Hollywood has changed the paradigm. It's like a different... There's a lot more...

like people just buy houses like it just everything's a little better i would say because there's just more money and people from new york or la come there and they're like i can buy a house for four this is free sure i'll take one you know what i mean If I'm shooting here for more than one season, I'll just buy a house. That's easier than living in a hotel. You can tell Chris is thinking about that once we get that Joe Rogan money. Once we get our Joe Rogan level deal, I'm definitely going to be purchasing a third home. Do you have any tips and tricks for long hotel stays? I feel like you've lived in hotels for very long periods of time. I have. My trick is don't do it. Get like an Airbnb. get an Airbnb, rent an apartment or something like that. Cause I just don't, I mean, I've tried like rearranging the furniture and hotels. I've tried, you know, you buy crap to kind of make it feel like all the Byredo candles in the world. Aren't going to save you. They won't, they won't. I don't know. I don't, I don't love a long hotel stay, especially for work. Like when you have to go to work and it's like, hello, hi everyone. Hi, yes. Hi. Good morning to you all. And then you come home. Yeah, it was a great day. How was your day? Nice to see you. It is I again, tall actor Lee Pace. Very nice to see you. That's why I don't have a doorman in any of my properties, Lee. Same problem. I just, I can't make small talk to these guys. The only reason why. I can't make small talk. I got to tip them all the time. I just, I don't know. I like to kind of slink in and out on my, on my. sneak around yeah but i decided i get like an apartment yeah no i i assumed i assume so but i feel like maybe in your you know when you're younger and they offer that to you i feel like it's very exciting you know what i mean in the first you know when things are really popping for the first time and they're like Yeah, we'll put you at the Four Seasons for a couple months. I ain't saying no. I just can't. Even at almost 40, I don't know if I could say no. Yeah, put a shower cap over the smoke detector. I could set up for a while over at the Four Seasons, no problem. Yeah, but I mean, I also, you know, we don't have a lot of actors on this show, Lee, and I'm, you know, I'm interested in the craft as much as the next guy.

And I just, you know, I always am wondering about the vibe. Right. Because I think when you did when you did bodies, bodies, bodies, I knew that the vibe was good. You know, I know that you guys were getting along. It was a good vibe. It was like fun. But what do you do when the vibe sucks? Because I know that happens where it's just like, you know what? this guy's a great actor, but I'm not fucking with him and he ain't really fucking with me, but we got to get through this. I just, I don't understand exactly how to do that. I don't know if I would be able to, or if it just takes years of practice, I guess is the question. You know, the truth is, yeah, you're right. It does happen where you just do not get along, but you have to work. It's not working. And, um, and sometimes you, ignore it and, you know, act professional and go up and, you know, pretend to like everyone and, and do your job, like even doing any situation. It sounds like you've been, it sounds like you've been a podcaster, Lee. It sounds like you've been a podcaster. Sometimes it's like, actually, as an actor, it's like useful to you to like, just kind of be like, we don't get along. So this, this, that's. I'm going to keep that right in the front of my head and let's do the scene. You know, and you just let whatever's real going on between the two of you happen. Like, don't try to act like it's anything different than that. I mean, of course, like when the cameras are not rolling, you have to be, you know, civil and normal. You know, you don't want to be disruptive to everyone else who's doing their job. But, you know, for the work that you have to do, if you can use that. use it do you feel like you've had experiences are there people that you've worked with that were older maybe just more experienced that really like put you on to some game and like gave you some secrets and are you trying to do the same thing now when you're around younger actors or is that not necessarily part of the part of the deal I mean, it's one of the great things about the job is that you work with so many different types of people, people who are brand new to the business and people who have been around for a long time and have a lot of experience, a lot of stories to tell. And every single person has a different approach to, you know, whatever the weird alchemy of playing a character in a movie is.

you know, process or approach. So you can learn something from anyone. You can learn something from, you know, people who it's their first time on set. There's nothing like that. You have someone who's like, they don't have the, they haven't learned, you know, the trusty tricks that always get them through. There's like a freshness in them that you wish you could. You watch it and you're inspired by them and you can kind of take a page from their book for a little while and bring that freshness to them. And when it's really good and the environment is right, of course it's easy to be open about how you approach things. And if that's useful to other people, then... yeah great and it can be such an incredible community of people actors that's what it feels like to me is like when it's good especially when you're like away from home and everything's vibing and everyone's getting along like that seems electric you know that seems like pretty amazing and like it's us versus the world like camp vibe and you actually like the script that you're reading yeah yeah exactly all the above like it reminds me of when you're a musician on tour and all the bands are getting along and like the shows are sold out and it's like everything's just working. Obviously, every experience isn't going to be the same. But I do think that these, I mean, some of the stuff, you know, you're doing some of this shit for like a long time. I mean, you did a TV show forever. You know what I mean? It's like that shit lasts forever. It's true. And then like a weird thing happens where kind of the story that you're telling and the characters that you're playing, so often it kind of finds its way into your life and into your dynamics with your coworkers. And, you know, Stories are generally told about complicated shit, you know, like dramatic things, you know, complicated dynamics between people. So those things surface, you know, and I think it's like the story that conjures them in a funny way. You know, it's very bizarre how that happens. And you can't really control it. You don't want to fight it.

It's good to be a little bit aware of it. No, you have the I mean, my point is you have the weirdest job in the world, basically. You know what I mean? There's no there's no there's no like crazier job to me than being like a proper actor. It's baffling to me. And it's something I fully can't. I'm like close enough to it where I should understand it. But I have like so many questions about just like the not the process even. But I think that they're like. there's just such an intimacy immediately that has to be created for it to work. And I think that's like a very difficult thing to kind of like pull out of your ass for lack of a better term. Yeah, it's true. But it feels like to me, the longer I do this, the more I do it is that the real work happens between the jobs when you're not actually on set doing it. Because in those moments, you kind of have to just pay attention to people and pay it. to yourself and how things are striking you, how the dynamics around you appear to you, what feels honest, what feels interesting, what's making you laugh in the world around you. Because I think actors, when they're really on top of their game, when they're really able to do that thing where they can... change the chemistry in a room by their emotional awareness, by their psychological engagement, by their physicality. It's because they've been paying attention to life. They've been paying attention to what it looks like to live life in the world. So I feel like a lot of that, you know, education and heavy lifting happens not when you're on set, but in the times between. Yeah. No, I mean, that makes sense. There's a lot of – I mean, people talk about a writer who can't write about anything unless they've lived their life. And I think when we're really talking about the minutia of just the everyday world and the lives that we live in, that's like the human connection that people respond in versus like –

should beyonce remove the word spaz from her song yeah or something you know yeah no for sure something pointless yeah that's what we find that so much on this which is like strange because you have to share this part of yourself you know i mean for people to respond and what an interesting valuable thing because it creates a record of our time you know it creates like a real detailed record of what it means to be alive right now in 2022 exactly it's yeah that's the stuff that'll remain timeless hopefully for centuries as people study how long gone through the ages yeah exactly once the how long gone course at nyu is finally kind of implemented i think then we'll really see it start to spread a little. AI really kind of coming through it and being, this is the definitive experience of being a man in 2020. Yeah, exactly. They're going to take all the episodes we ever make and basically AI it down to one hour. That's probably all that's valuable. And then they'll kind of give that as... If the AI could do something about the crow's feet, that'd be great as well. I know it's an audio podcast, but it kind of comes through on the mic. Sometimes you can hear it. You can hear the crow's feet. It's weird. So let's talk... No, don't try to look. Let's talk about bodies, bodies, bodies. So you were... Filming this upstate New York while you were also living upstate New York, right? I just finished filming the first season of Foundation, which is, you know, it's like I said, we travel all over the world to film it. I play this, you know, bigger than life character. I play the emperor of the galaxy. You know, it's big sets. Speaking of things that translate into your real life, I've heard that you're an emperor of the galaxy type behind closed doors as well. So I'm glad to hear that that's kind of, you know. So I got the offer to do this. I talked to Alina about it and it just sounded like such a fun character to play. Like really, you know, fun group of actors to work with. It was exactly that, you know, we shot in such a organic way.

There's so many long scenes in the movie. So Helena is an actress herself and such an inspiring example of when an actor becomes a director and the way she worked with all the actors was so interesting and specific and how she kind of teased these very specific characters out of everyone so that these complicated dynamics formed, which is really what the movie is about. the character i play is you know basically this fun loving easygoing you know guy who's there's a lot of mcconaughey in that role i feel like you pulled i feel like you pulled from yeah fellow texan mcconaughey was on the mood board at least a little bit i mean it'd be crazy yeah really you're absolutely right that was i mean i i like dazed and confused was such an important movie for me in high school. Where you lived and your age range, that was probably like, this is a path that I could take, perhaps. It was like a Bible to us in high school. When would that have been? The early 90s? I think so. Yeah, that was 93, Days and Confused came out, actually. As well as The Stoned Age. Some people might think that one's a little bit better. We saw Bodies, Bodies, Bodies a while ago in L.A., and Rachel was actually in the audience, which you know we love. We love that. I love watching someone watch their own movie. Yeah, Rachel was one of our first podcast guests on this show ever, actually. Maybe like top five or something? I love... Rachel Sinat. I, what an incredible person too. I mean, she plays my girlfriend in the movie and she, I loved her movie, Shiva baby. And to be with her on set, it's like, you can't watch her and think she's a star. She's like, she delivers in every single scene. She improvs lines that are so memorable. And they just like,

they're coming out and she's such a natural they just come out of her like it's effortless for her look i didn't know what to expect from this to be honest with you i'm not i didn't really i knew you were in it i knew she was in it so i was like all right let's check it out the shit is funny like it's very funny and there's some shit that is like so 20 like dialed as far as like the language and like the attitude of 2022 that i was just like dying like that that some of that shit really there's like one scene jason i like looked at each other literally like i can't believe this it feels like a twitter interaction yeah yeah that was the part of it that i really found interesting or my in my head about which was like i can't tell when they're satirizing the gen z speak or if they're being all you know if they're doing it earnestly And I think, you know, writing that line is a fun place to be when you're watching a movie like this. Yeah. I mean, I think it's definitely a satire. I think that's like the whole movie is basically that the chaos that they. find themselves in is, you know, a daily chaos that you can find yourself in if you open your Twitter. That's right. It's chaos every day for me, for sure. Chaos, emergency, you know, everything is, there's a hurricane, there's crimes being committed everywhere you look, you know. Everything is absolutely insane, unhinged dumpster fire at every single given moment. Well, I mean, but obviously it is a satire, but when you're watching it and it's coming out of these actual Gen Z people's mouths, like I know that Rachel's a very smart person and she's playing a role, but she's doing it so well that it really does kind of blur the line. And all of the actresses do it. Yeah. But the character I play is I play her boyfriend who's like 15 years older than her. So I'm a real outsider looking at them like, this is all kind of fun. Yes, you did that. We met a couple weeks ago and we're having a lot of sex. Who doesn't love their love affair when it's two weeks in? It's the best thing in the world. It's beautiful to see that because normally you have the older character.

with those people and you're just like what are you fucking kids talking about i don't know what this that and the other billy eilish who whatever and your character is just like you kids are having a fun time this is awesome i'm gonna go have sex with her and do molly and then i'm gonna meditate for a while you guys have fun like let's just have fun but i think he's like it's fun until it's not fun and then he's like uh i'm gonna go to bed i'm not interested in fighting with you guys Hey, if you want to do that. I don't want no part of this. I'm sure you've been killed on screen many times. No spoilers. Can you explain how that goes down? I want a behind-the-scenes take of being bludgeoned to death. Hopefully, I don't know what that feels like, but I kind of want you to walk me through it, how that process goes. Kind of sounds like he wants to know what that feels like, Lee, but let's hear it from you. Chris, the only way you'll know is if you experience it for yourself. There's no way someone can kind of give you that. Okay, so you're saying that Jason and I could end up arguing and he could kill me with a kettlebell. That's not out of the question, honestly. He's asking you to bludgeon him. Well, Chris is kind of into me, like, walking on him with some heels on, and I think he's sort of ready to take it to the next step, you know? Yeah, I am. Those pleather whips just are not fucking cutting it anymore. It's time to get the kettlebells out. Get out the kettlebell. How do you train and practice for dying? over and over again, multiple takes. They've got to clean up the blood and stuff, I'm sure. Well, I don't want to give away any spoilers for people who have... I'm not talking about bodies, bodies, bodies. I'm just talking about... You're just talking about murder. Your movie in general. Oh, for how to die? Yeah, exactly, exactly. I don't know. Everyone dies a little differently. You know, the ways the character dies are... I mean, this one, it's a very, you know, bloody death. And actually, I did the off-camera for them, their reactions, before they actually filmed me doing it. And so I really acted the crap out of it. So hold on. You're saying that you saw their reactions before you filmed the scene yourself? No, I was, like, on the floor, covered in blood, like, babbling to myself with brain damage and stuff.

When you say it like that, it sounds kind of hot, which is a problem. Yeah, I agree. What, babbling to yourself? You know. imagining brain coming out of your nose. Writhing around on the floor. Yeah, that's right. Look, everybody's got different stuff that they're into. Jason's a freak, man. I can't even begin to touch what this guy's into. Speaking of freaks, working with Pete Davidson, I thought that my favorite part about the movie was this was the first time I saw Pete Davidson on screen where, I mean, I'm not going to say he's insufferable or he's annoying or he bugs me, but... He's a certain type of person, and I thought that the way you worked with him brought out a side of him that I loved. It was the first time that I had really seen, and I guess I've been endeared to him, based off of bouncing his personality off of you. And is that something that happened naturally, or did you think about that at all? Well, I really loved working with Pete. I loved working with him on camera. He was super professional and knew his character. And the way we shot, it wasn't like, okay, now we're doing the two shot. Now we're doing this coverage. Now we're doing that. It was like, yes, for the, the DP would kind of operate himself and kind of roam around. And, and so we were just doing the scene again and again, and he would always try new stuff. And so that was him on camera and off camera. He. you know, just had the best stories. I bet. His life is one great story, to be honest. I can't even imagine. It's so true. I mean, it was just like really, really funny and really, you know, he just had such a great sense of humor and a great, you know, take on all the cool things that he's seen. So I look forward to seeing him again. So after every day on set, you'll drive the old pickup truck back up to the barn and do some squats, and then he's like, I'm going to go take a bath with Kim Kardashian and then smoke 11 blunts. So it was a little different. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know where he went. I don't know. Look, I'm not responsible for his whereabouts. I'm not responsible for what Pete did after. There was always a plan that we were all going to go to.

Knott's Berry Farms or Great Adventure. What's the big amusement park? Great America. Are you a coaster enthusiast, Lee? Because I am. Are you really? Well, we kept trying to make a plan to go, but we couldn't get everyone together on the same day, so it never actually came together. But I really wanted to go, and ever since you mentioned it, I was like, I've been thinking about it since and thinking, I really want to go on a roller coaster. That sounds like a lot of fun to do. You're telling me, bro. I mean, look, I think about it every day. And these coasters, the problem is when you live in New York, the coasters ain't that close. You know, it's just not, it's a little, it's a day trip. It's a whole thing. You know, growing up in Atlanta. One of the downsides of life in Manhattan, yeah. Yeah, you know, growing up in Atlanta, you could pop down to Six Flags over Georgia. That's 30 minutes. No problem. You're on coasters all day. Really? Are there big lines? Is it like, because I remember down in Houston, there would be crazy lines at Astroworld. Well, luckily, luckily, Lee, now that, now that. We're both successful. I'm not going to say who's more successful, but we're both pretty successful. You can just pay a small fee to skip all the lines with an escort. Really? Which, you know, you can get some glares from fellow passengers, but, you know, I've grinded for this view. Wear your sunglasses and... Glare away. It's like when you go to the airport and you have clear and everyone's like... Yeah, I'll wear my hat and sunglasses and just zip to the front of the Spider-Man ride that makes me go upside down. Chris, Lee and I don't... Lee and I don't have the privilege of being short enough to sort of blend in with the normal crowd. That's true. It's an issue for us. I can't imagine going to the three of us at Six Flags over Georgia would really be something. I'm the only one that could kind of slip through. It would be tough for you guys. It's been a long time since I've done a roller coaster like that. I bet the ride. have gotten really insane now too far they're too advanced i only like a classic wooden coaster that's just like big drops i don't like all the upside down marvel shit like that's too it's too much yeah it's like g-force problems you know it's different it's different i grew up on the on the great american scream machine a classic wooden

Beautiful, beautiful coaster. Just kind of the up and down, man. Just like life. You know what I'm saying? Just up and down. Like a little rickety or a little like. Exactly. Exactly. And I don't want to give away any secrets or encourage any illegal behavior on this podcast. But if you do sit in the very back, maybe you, oh, my arm was down when you were putting down the safety thing. So you can catch a little air. You know, you can catch a little... Full nightmare. To give your stomach that kind of upside-down feeling like when the plane's going to crash. That kind of vibe. Now you can kind of see why the guy wants to get bludgeoned. You know what I mean? This is what sobriety does to you, Lee. Yeah, Lee, I have nothing left, dude. This is all I got. Like, this is all I got, dude. I can't... Almost dying or dying, that's his anti-drug. Rollercoaster, beat me up, bludgeon me, walk on me. Yeah, this is all I got. I'm trying to look for Jason a pair of Louboutins. Louboutins and a 17, so I can really get this thing going, but it's been tough. It's been tough so far. Yeah, Lee, is it easy for you to find clothes in your size? You're kind of right on that cutoff where things start getting extra difficult. Yeah, I do okay. I mean, sometimes pants are a pain in the butt, but you can always... Jason's unlocked a new level of pants in his life because he learned about a little website called The RealReal where they sell designer clothes. But they're cheap. You know what I mean? But they have these unhemmed. All the basketball players return their unhemmed dress pants. And one man's trash is another man's treasure. Whoa. That's a really interesting resource. Yeah. So, Lee, buy your pants unhemmed. Yeah. And then that's it. Ready to wear. That's it. Jason also got his first pair of jeans recently from our friends at Gucci on the RealReal. They had to belong to a basketball player. There's absolutely no one else on earth who would have bought these jeans. Really? It could be from an era, a time frame where that kind of baggy, scrunched-up look was desirable, though, to where they made longer ones, you know, like the 40-inch Japanese denim inseam kind of thing. Do they have, like, any kind of Gucci kind of fancy? No. You would never know that they were Gucci jeans. No, they're nice. They're nice. They just look like regular Levi's. Cool. Cool. I'll check it out. I'll check it out.

Please check them out. I'm not really much of a shopper, to be honest. I don't really buy a lot of things. Well, that's why I appreciate your off-duty looks, because it really is just a guy I would know. We all have people in our lives who might want to dress us for us. A life partner, for example, in my situation. Yeah, Jason's given no choice. He's got a heavy hand in the closet saying, no more Patagonia shorts, sweetheart. We need to get some pants on those legs. I'd love to see you in more of a trouser today if that's possible. I think it's worked out for the better, Jason. Honestly, I think that you look great and you've expanded your horizons in the last couple of years in a way that I couldn't foresee for you. I didn't see that coming. Chris, I see that you're in shorts. I mean, there may be no pants. Are you in shorts too, Jason? I got no pants on. No pants. Because I'm in L.A., so this is the first time I've ever done a 6.30 a.m. podcast before. Only Lee Pace gets me out of bed that early. Yeah, Lee, we're breaking all the how long gone rules for you. This is an off day normally. It's an off time, but you know. Well, you're in Milan. I mean, this is a pretty. This is international stuff. We're covering the globe right now. We're literally covering the globe. We're triangulating the world. What's up with farm life? Do you miss the city at all or do you get enough? I get enough. Yeah. It's nice to be home. I've been away from home working on foundation for a lot this year. So it's really, really nice to be back for a while. Yeah. Farm life is good. Doing some work on the house. So we're spending a lot of time up at this little structure that I built myself. You know, when I first got this land. Hold on. Hold on. What do we call those in L.A., Jason? Additional dwelling unit? ADU. And ADU. So you built like a – what are we talking about here? Well, I built a timber frame. So I built like a post-in-theemed structure. This was about 10 years ago. Oh, wow. And I lived up there for a long time before I bought my neighbor's house. It was like a real house with water and electricity.

So, okay, hold on. So explain to me what this contains and you're living in it. Is it just like a bed or is there a bathroom now? There's no bathroom. I eventually put an outhouse in, but that's been neglected since I've moved into the house. So you wouldn't want to put one. Like many an outhouse. So you're saying once you got a real bathroom with a marble tub, the outhouse didn't get as much upkeep. That's crazy. The Aesop lotion has run dry in the outhouse probably, I'm assuming. Yeah, the Aesop is empty in the outhouse. So when you built this thing ten years ago, did you find some local hunks to sort of raise it together, Amish style? You know, when you raise one of those walls? Shirtless, hopefully? Well, I carved all the beams. Really? And post some beams myself. Yeah, I took this course up in Maine where I learned how to do it. And then I designed the whole thing and spent the summer kind of carving all the beams out with hands off and chisels. And then weekend before Thanksgiving, I got a bunch of my friends together and we pegged it together and pushed it up. And it took about two days to get it up. And then I went away to go work on some movies for the next couple of years. stood in the field, you know, without a roof or walls and anything for about two years. And then I made a little bit of money and put a roof on it and made a little bit more money and put the floor and the walls on it. And then I was basically just kind of camping out inside of it, which was actually a really nice way to live. It was, you know, very quiet. I spent like a couple months in the winter there one time. Man, you're on some other shit. I am wildly impressed with this. I can't even fucking put a nail on the wall. I recommend it, Chris. It's really great. It was like a challenge. It was one of the hardest things I've ever done. But I was really interested in people who had built their own homes and the kind of self-sufficiency that requires and all the new things you have to learn to be able to do it.

Yeah, I mean, I appreciate that you went and took a course like a real person and didn't go on YouTube and think you could figure it out. Well, I learned how to do the timber frame in the course and stuff, but there's a thousand things that I learned how to do on YouTube. Like a thousand things. YouTube is an extraordinary resource for stuff like that. So did this process, now that you're renovating or doing some work on the real house or the big house, Do you have a different knowledge now when you're approaching these shiesty contractors? Yeah, I'm trying to, you know, I'm kind of busy with work right now. So I'm working with some super talented people on it and I'm trying to stay out of their way. I like that. I like that. Smart, smart. That's the lesson this time around. It was a different lesson the first time around. The lesson this time around is. Trust the professionals. Throw a little bit of money at the problem if we're super busy. Lee, I've reached the same plane as trust the professionals without ever having to do any of the work that you did before. I just skipped right ahead to that step and I barely have any money. So maybe I should kind of go back. No, no. I mean, there's a lot of problems that I built. A lot of problems. So it's not really a house. It's more like a barn. Speaking of YouTube, do you ever go on there at 3 in the morning and watch those videos where those guys in the jungle just build, like, a house out of nothing over, like, over months and, like, have running water and bathrooms and all that stuff? Have you ever seen that? I love that shit. Love it. I mean, I suggest doing it on weed, if possibly. I love that shit. It's, like, my favorite thing to do. I do that, and then I'll do that while, like, buying camp a year. Okay. You know, buying like researching super light camping gear, planning trips that I can use my new gear at. So you got one window open. You're watching a guy build a hut with leaves in the other window. You have your snowpeak.jp checkout ready to go. Do I need this pour over? If I were to buy this tarp that, you know, only weighs this many ounces. So you're really doing that where like.

Every little ounce counts when we're on the trail. Yeah, I find that super interesting. Man, I don't know, man. I love the level of hobbies that you have because I need to look into that because I feel like the outdoor stuff is just... It ain't for me, but then I see the photos, and when you guys are out on these trips, I'm like, this shit is breathtaking. This is fucked up, what I'm looking at. This is what we should be seeing as humans. You know what I mean? I bet, Chris, you could really get behind this because it's like getting gear is a real fun thing to do. I mean, that's one thing I do like to shop for is gear. Finding gear is so fun. And if you have the right gear and you go out in nature, you can just find yourself in the most extraordinary places in the world. I mean, places that are, you know, you'll think about for the rest of your life. They're so magical. You thought the Four Seasons was good. Yeah, exactly. Chris, that's the Four Seasons in Atlanta, bro. That's not even in Malta. What do you mean? But I think Chris uses the internet and books to kind of... nurture his mind and he uses Barry's boot camp to nurture his body but I feel like the nature is where you kind of connect both of those together and maybe that could be your missing link Chris that's I mean Lee when you're out on these are you are you doing some reading or are you cooking are you doing all of these things or is it more about the adventure of getting to the place yeah it's like the adventure you know it's it's kind of appreciating where you're at making camp Thinking about how you're going to optimize your gear for the next trip. I love it. Okay. That's just like my chick. She's already planning the vacation for next year when we're on the vacation now. Yeah. But that's kind of how you have to do it. Yeah. I mean, I always bring a Kindle, but I very rarely actually do it. I mainly just kind of soak it in. You'd rather bring some Kindling is what you're saying. You meet people on the trail, which is actually really one of the coolest things because you just meet people.

They're in the middle of the wilderness who are experiencing the exact same thing you are, but completely different walk of life. As long as you could take them physically, you know, it's probably pretty cool to do that. Yeah. Because you're never worried. I mean, I would be worried about, you know, some woods people. They got a machete or something on them. Yeah. Why would you worry about that? Why would you think that would be? Where do you think you're going to go hiking? I mean, you might have something like that. Yeah, Jason, there's more likely of you getting attacked at Runyon from a chick you used to date than getting attacked in the woods. LAUGHTER Throwing a vodka cranberry in my face. How'd you get that up here and run you? Exactly. You should not be scared in the woods. They don't know you out in the woods. That's Lee's whole point. It's the great equalizer. It's like when you see an animal in the woods, they're more afraid of you than the other way around. You're going to be fine. I think you make a good point. It is kind of the great equalizer. You have nothing in common with these people except the urge to do what you're doing. So you have this commonality, but everything else is a wild card. It is. It's like a real adventure. The best part of it is when you're just alone. Alone with your thoughts. Alone with wherever your mind wants to go. Is you in the sound of a crackling fire? Are you a Virgo, Lee? Am I a Virgo? What an interesting... Do I come off as a Virgo? Jason and I are both Virgos, and we like to tell people in our lives that we need our alone time. And it sounds like that's what you're saying now to us. Oh, no, I'm not a Virgo. I didn't know that was a Virgo trait, that they need alone time. Do you find it hard to get it? Oh, no. No, no, no. I make it a priority in my life. I don't find it hard, but I do find that I'm very social. But I need that as much as I need to be alone with my computer and the air conditioning for three hours. Rest and digest. I need all of it. I need all of it. All those macro bars. Yeah, exactly. Lee, thank you for joining us on How Long Gone. It's a pleasure. Everybody go see Bodies, Bodies, Bodies. And season two of Foundation on Apple is out soon-ish, I imagine. Oh, no. I think we just finished it. So we've got to do it.

Another year. A lot of post-production on that one, Chris. A lot of post. I'm sorry. I'm such a novice when it comes to Hollywood. Yeah, Lee, thank you for joining us. Thanks so much for having me on. I've had such a great time talking to you guys. I really appreciate you. Best of luck to you. Hopefully, the next time you have a great new film out, we can do it all over again. That's right. This time, we're coming to the barn, though. We're live from the barn with Lee. Do it. Why not? Terrible acoustics. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks again, bro. Thanks a lot, guys. Talk to you soon. You a swerve girl, who the fuck could you go? You just wanna be me, I'm a hot girl Pop girl, rich girl, I'm a bitch girl False girl, catch me if you can go You a swerve girl